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Box A Rox
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It's kinda funny to watch people who totally denied the validity of polls when Romney was behind, suddenly
point to polls as a FACT now that Romney's ahead.
I wonder if their point of view will change back again when Romney drops in the polls next week???

IMO... Polls are a temporary snapshot of the general opinion of the electorate at the time the poll was taken.
No more or no less.


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Rasmussen is now saying that Romney is leading in 11 of 12 "swing states" that Obama carried in 2008 and closing in the last of the 12.   Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are now said to be "swing states" and very much within Romney's reach of winning.


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Most Recent Polls

US President '12
10/09
Reuters/Ipsos
Obama (D)45.0%
Romney (R)45.0%

US President '12
10/09
Rasmussen
Romney (R)48.0%
Obama (D)47.0%

PA President '12
10/09
Rasmussen
Obama (D)51.0%
Romney (R)46.0%

US President '12
10/09
Gallup
Romney (R)48.0%
Obama (D)48.0%




OH President '12
10/09
Zogby
Obama (D)46.0%
Romney (R)42.0%


FL President '12
10/09
University of…
Obama (D)49.0%
Romney (R)45.0%

WI President '12
10/09
Rasmussen
Obama (D)51.0%
Romney (R)49.0%



OH President '12
10/08
American Research…
Romney (R)48.0%
Obama (D)47.0%


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Electoral College Map
(270 needed to win)

221     Obama/Biden
136   Toss Ups
181   Romney/Ryan



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html


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Take these polls with a grain salt...Romney picks up 16% more women because of a debate performance not many people saw? I don't buy it.
These polls are being portrayed as real news stories because the media can't wait for the main event.


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I took a poll at work and no one really cared....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Latest Swing State Polls


Florida: Obama 49%, Romney 45% (University of North Florida)

Nevada: Obama 47%, Romney 46% (SurveyUSA)

Nevada: Obama 51%, Romney 47% (Public Policy Polling)

New Hampshire: Obama 48%, Romney 48% (Rasmussen)

Ohio: Obama 45%, Romney 44% (SurveyUSA)

Pennsylvania: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (Rasmussen)

Wisconsin: Obama 51%, Romney 49% (Rasmussen)


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Quoted from 55tbird

These polls are being portrayed as real news stories because the media can't wait for the main event.


aint that the truth. Unfortunately even the sheople are falling for the bullcrap!! It's all about the lame stream media!!!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Quoted from Box A Rox
Latest Swing State Polls


Florida: Obama 49%, Romney 45% (University of North Florida)

Nevada: Obama 47%, Romney 46% (SurveyUSA)

Nevada: Obama 51%, Romney 47% (Public Policy Polling)

New Hampshire: Obama 48%, Romney 48% (Rasmussen)

Ohio: Obama 45%, Romney 44% (SurveyUSA)

Pennsylvania: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (Rasmussen)

Wisconsin: Obama 51%, Romney 49% (Rasmussen)


Rasmussen is the only poll in your list which is generally accepted - by past performance - as being VERY CREDIBLE and ACCURATE --- and even you admit that it shows Romney with 5 points ---which is within the margin of error and neither Wisconsin nor Pennsylvania were this close nor considered "swing states" a month ago.    

And your list shows Ohio neck and neck -- so if Romney wins  2 of the 3  (Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania) that would pretty much ensure a Romney victory.


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Rasmussen is the only poll in your list which is generally accepted - by past performance - as being
VERY CREDIBLE and ACCURATE --- and even you admit that it shows Romney with 5 points ---which
is within the margin of error and neither Wisconsin nor Pennsylvania were this close nor considered
"swing states" a month ago.    



"Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate!"

(Not my words, but taken from today's NY Times)

"Every election cycle has its winners and losers: not just the among the candidates, but also the pollsters.

On Tuesday, polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys
in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of
Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward
Republican candidates.


Other polling firms, like SurveyUSA and Quinnipiac University, produced more reliable results in Senate
and gubernatorial races. A firm that conducts surveys by Internet, YouGov, also performed relatively well."

NY Times
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n.....-performed-strongly/


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Latest Swing State Polls


Colorado: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac)

Florida: Obama 47%, Romney 46% (NBC/WSJ/Marist)

Michigan: Obama 49%, Romney 42% (Detroit News)

Michigan: Obama 46%, Romney 44% (Gravis)

Nevada: Obama 47%, Romney 45% (Suffolk)

Ohio: Obama 51%, Romney 45% (NBC/WSJ/Marist)

Virginia: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (NBC/WSJ/Marist)

Virginia: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac)

Wisconsin: Obama 50%, Romney 47% (CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac)


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Quoted from Box A Rox


"Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate!"

(Not my words, but taken from today's NY Times)

"Every election cycle has its winners and losers: not just the among the candidates, but also the pollsters.

On Tuesday, polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys
in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of
Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward
Republican candidates.


Other polling firms, like SurveyUSA and Quinnipiac University, produced more reliable results in Senate
and gubernatorial races. A firm that conducts surveys by Internet, YouGov, also performed relatively well."

NY Times
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n.....-performed-strongly/



The huge problem with your post is that among Political Scientists - conservative leaning and liberal leaning) who specialize in polling and elections have indicated that Rasmussen and Pew have been the MOST ACCURATE predictor of Presidential Election outcomes in the past decade or so.  Therefore, I choose to place my confidence in the judgement of the experts and not in some biased died-in-the wool Obama supporter who doesn't seem to have any objectivity on the subject.

Bottomline -- the race is extremely close .. Romney has a path to victory and appears to have the momentum to continuing down that path --- and Obama, despite being the incumbent, is fighting for his political life to hold onto 12 of the states that he won (in some cases handily) 4 years ago.    There is absolutely no way for an objective person - regardless of whether they support Romney or Obama - to suggest that President Obama is in good shape right now.   With less than a month to go, I'd - if I were the one running in the election - much rather be in Mitt Romney's shoes than Barack Obama's shoes.    


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Gallup: Romney 48%, Obama 47%

IBD/TIPP: Romney 47%, Obama 46%

Rasmussen: Obama 48%, Romney 47%

Reuters/Ipsos: Romney 47%, Obama 44%

UPI/CVoter: Romney 49%, Obama 46%


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Here are the latest polls from the battleground states:

Colorado: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac)

Florida: Obama 47%, Romney 46% (NBC/WSJ/Marist)

Florida: Romney 51%, Obama 44% (Mason-Dixon)

Michigan: Obama 49%, Romney 42% (Detroit News)

Michigan: Obama 46%, Romney 44% (Gravis)

Nevada: Obama 47%, Romney 45% (Suffolk)

Nevada: Obama 51%, Romney 47% (Public Policy Polling)

North Carolina: Romney 51%, Obama 47% (Rasmussen)

Ohio: Obama 51%, Romney 45% (NBC/WSJ/Marist)

Ohio: Obama 47%, Romney 46% (Pulse Opinion Research)

Ohio: Obama 48%, Romney 47% (Rasmussen)

Ohio: Romney 46%, Obama 45% (Gravis)

Pennsylvania: Obama 47%, Romney 45% (Pulse Opinion Research)

Virginia: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (NBC/WSJ/Marist)

Virginia: Obama 51%, Romney 46% (CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac)

Virginia: Obama 48%, Romney 48% (Pulse Opinion Research)

Wisconsin: Obama 50%, Romney 47% (CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac)

Wisconsin: Obama 50%, Romney 46% (Pulse Opinion Research)


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Colorado: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (Denver Post)

Florida: Romney 49%, Obama 46% (American Research Group)

Florida: Romney 51%, Obama 47% (Rasmussen)

Michigan: Obama 52%, Romney 45% (Rasmussen)

New Hampshire: Romney 50%, Obama 46% (American Research Group)

North Carolina: Obama 46%, Romney 45% (High Point University)

Virginia: Romney 49%, Obama 47% (Rasmussen)


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