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http://www.sodahead.com/united.....ou/question-2777751/
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IF YOU OWN A GUN CAN DOCTORS REFUSE TO TREAT YOU???
by SunShine Posted July 06, 2012

If you have a gun in your home, can doctors be allowed to refuse you treatment?


At least one federal judge thinks so, and she has issued a permanent injunction against a Florida law that would have forced doctors to provide their service.


Last year, Florida passed the “Firearm Ownership Privacy Act,” which bars doctors from asking patients about guns in the home, “unless the practitioner in good faith believes the information is relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety” and would impose sanctions if doctors “unnecessarily harass a patient about firearm ownership.”


The law was passed after an Ocala, Fla., couple complained that a doctor had asked them about guns and after they declined to answer refused to see them anymore.


But U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke had issued a temporary injunction after three doctors sued the state, claiming the “gag order” on talking to their patients about guns was an infringement of free speech and the doctor-patient relationship.


The resulting legal battle became known as the “Docs vs. Glocks” case.


The doctors were backed in the case by various physicians organizations, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Washington-based Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.


The National Rifle Association, however, which helped push the law through the legislation, was barred by the judge from participating in the lawsuit, as Cooke claimed the state was fully capable of defending itself.


In a ruling issued late last week, Cooke decided for the doctors and made her injunction against the law permanent.


“The state, through this law, inserts itself in the doctor-patient relationship,” Cooke wrote in her 25-page ruling, “prohibiting and burdening speech necessary to the proper practice of preventive medicine, thereby preventing patients from receiving truthful, non-misleading information. … This it cannot do.”


Cooke asserted furthermore that the anti-harassment language of the bill is too vague and “does not provide fair notice as to what range of conduct it prohibits.”


Dan Gross, president of the Brady Center, celebrated the decision.


“Guns in the home are a proven deadly risk,” Gross said in a statement. “The government cannot tell us or our doctors that we are prohibited from discussing the deadly risks posed by guns.”


Florida Governor Rick Scott’s spokesman, Lane Wright, told the Palm Beach Post that the governor was considering whether or not to appeal the decision, but Rep. Jason Brodeur, a Republican who sponsored the bill, and the Florida Senate’s general counsel, Craig Meyer, both said they believed Scott would appeal.



AS AN ADDED NOTE: The hypocrisy of this is Medical errors are responsible for as many as 100,000 or more deaths a year in the US..



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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That's FLUCKERED UP!
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What would happen if you substituted gun ownership with pit bull ownership?


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What would happen if you substituted gun ownership with pit bull ownership?


Or your views on abortion.

Who would want to be treated by a doctor that was treating you because he was forced?

He would likely not treat you properly.

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Just some more tripe that Sodahead stole from Wing Nut Daily.
Never in my life have I heard of a doctor asking about firearms, unless they were treating depression, or suicidal tendecies.
Just more nonsense from the NRA to justify their existance, and remind you to pay your dues.


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Never in my life have I heard of a doctor asking about firearms, unless they were treating depression, or suicidal tendecies.


Oh, so you HAVE heard this question asked by a doctor. Did he also ask if the person owned any knives? Maybe some rope? How about if he made any plans to jump out of airplanes. It seems to be kinda popular around these parts.

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2008/jun/08/0608_planejump/?print

http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2011/09/19/news/doc4e76c811d7385101041552.txt

Ban plane jumping?





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Oh, so you HAVE heard this question asked by a doctor. Did he also ask if the person owned any knives? Maybe some rope? How about if he made any plans to jump out of airplanes. It seems to be kinda popular around these parts.

http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2008/jun/08/0608_planejump/?print

http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2011/09/19/news/doc4e76c811d7385101041552.txt



No, I said "heard of".
Though I think if I told him I was posting on the same site as Ira, or DVOR, he probably would ask, and possibly hold me for a few days for observation.

By the way, I'm far from being anti-gun rights, but unlike knives or rope, guns serve only one singular purpose.

Unless of course you're Buck Strider, and you use your gun to extinguish candles, sometime two at a time, with a single shot.


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Quoted from Tommy

By the way, I'm far from being anti-gun rights, but unlike knives or rope, guns serve only one singular purpose.


Guns are the tools used and promoted by the government for universal problem solving.

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"we have to pass it to so you can see what's in it"

folks have no idea the 'teeth' that were put into 'health care'.....especially under the guise of mental health....

scary sh!t folks......

diagnosis
medications
treatments

affects jobs/freedoms

EMRS DO NOT make you safer.....

if self discipline isn't there it will be under another guise....ie: the 40oz sugary drink


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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A while back, my doctor asked me if I had any firearms at home.  I told him yes... he asked if I
had them locked so that children didn't have access to them.  Again I told him yes.  He said "THANK YOU".  
He then said, When kids get a hold of guns, it's EMT's doctors and nurses who have to deal with the outcome.

Doctors will ask older patients if they have any "throw rugs" in their homes.  Doctors are not trying to ban
'throw rugs'... they are trying to prevent needless injuries to their patients who may not see rugs as a source
of harm.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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A while back, my doctor asked me if I had any firearms at home.  I told him yes... he asked if I
had them locked so that children didn't have access to them.  Again I told him yes.  He said "THANK YOU".  
He then said, When kids get a hold of guns, it's EMT's doctors and nurses who have to deal with the outcome.

Doctors will ask older patients if they have any "throw rugs" in their homes.  Doctors are not trying to ban
'throw rugs'... they are trying to prevent needless injuries to their patients who may not see rugs as a source
of harm.




It must be nice living in a world of unicorns and rainbows.





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This comes under the heading of need to know, until doctors become law enforcement officers they don't need to know.
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This comes under the heading of need to know, until doctors become law enforcement officers they don't need to know.


Physicians already live in fear of the Fed destroying their lives if they prescribe too much pain medicine.

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Quoted from Shadow
This comes under the heading of need to know, until doctors become law enforcement officers they don't need to know.


He didn't need to know... he was only trying to prevent a needless tragedy.  I could have said "none of
your business" or not answered the question at all.  
I'm not threatened by a doctor asking me a question.  
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-On July 19, 4-year-old Dylan Jackson shot himself to death after finding a loaded gun at
a friend's home during a birthday party.

- A 3-year-old Southeast Washington boy shot himself in the foot and grazed his hand while
playing with his father's gun -- which he found lying on the floor.

- A 2-year-old Tampa boy shot himself in the chest with a loaded 9 mm he found in his parent's
couch while playing.

- Last February, a 13-year-old boy shot himself with a semiautomatic handgun in the home of
his guardian, a Maryland police officer.

- The 10-year-old son of a New York City police officer died after shooting himself in the face
with his father's loaded revolver. The boy found the weapon on a shelf in the basement while
looking for a ball his mom had hidden.


People who should know better are leaving guns in the reach of kids.  If my doctor saved the
life of one child by asking a question, then I am all for asking the question.  

If 2nd amendment paranoia rules your life you can always refuse to answer or change doctors
to another doctor less interested in saving lives.




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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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First all my weapons are locked up. Second all my kids are grown and have their own families to worry about. Third it's not only the doctors who will have access to this information. With all the computer hacking a  burglar would be able to find out who can defend themselves and who can't.
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