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Mr. Majestyk
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One thing they are addressing which will help is to tear down all the vacant, unsalvagable properties.


Another thing is keep the kids busier.  


And, have a zoning ordinance which limits those bodega stores to only so many within a certain square mile area.   The only purpose those stores should serve is to provide necessities for the locals.  Why you need eight within a two block arae is beyond me and they are a lowlife magnet


I somewhat agree with your assertion that 8 stores within a small area may be excessive, but this attacks the very concept/principal of our capitalistic way of life that is the lifeblood/basis/existence of our country-the almighty greenback.   To go about dictating that the free enterprise system is a detriment, is an affront to the concept of the  "what the market will bear"credo.   If the need is there and a profit is turned and taxes are paid then it is the win-win that is often stated in the Plex mantra.   One can't going about creating a war on economic development regardless of any oversaturation of the market.   The market will sort itself out through supply/demand.   If we could stiffle oversaturation of a certain ilk, you would'nt see 3 drugstores, gas stations, conv. stores or markets at the same corner, or within a block of each other.   Granted, in the case of the bodega types you stated in your piece attracting "lowlifes", which may/ maynot  lead to making your job harder with possible increased crime or leading to a hood decline, the resolution to limit these types of existences does not rest with the police/public at large, but with the rulemakers within the system.  And this is but one facet of the capitalistic way-supply/demand.   You have to enforce the decided upon rules and the rest of us have to live with the policys broughtforth.
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You know the argument about where police can cut the other way. If an officer lived in the City and knew their kids would have to go to school with the same kids' whose family and friends they arrest, might be less inclined to be proactive. Their families and proerty could be targeted.  I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but this assertion that the police do not care because they do not live in the city is waved around like it is fact, and I'm not so sure taht's the case.


the surrounding towns are doing just that......living in the same town they police. Their kids go to the same school district they police.....same church. If what you say is true.....than that is just proof that the city is a subculture with more violent, revengeful residents......aka....more dangerous and more crime and not safe...............yes?

And if cops are afraid to live in the area they police for fear of retaliation....what more do you expect from the residents themselves when they witness a crime and refuse to co-operate?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Libertarian - so if they think the city is okay, then that is reality as well?



LOL, ok if you can find someone who actually lives there and believes that.

I'm really laughing my a** off.

I would love to see a survey of Schenectady residents and their opinions on whether it is a war zone or a wonderful place to raise kids.

It's too early to be drunk, Visitor.

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the surrounding towns are doing just that......living in the same town they police. Their kids go to the same school district they police.....same church. If what you say is true.....than that is just proof that the city is a subculture with more violent, revengeful residents......aka....more dangerous and more crime and not safe...............yes?

And if cops are afraid to live in the area they police for fear of retaliation....what more do you expect from the residents themselves when they witness a crime and refuse to co-operate?


When has an occupying force ever lived among the locals?

They aren't afraid to live in the city.

They are disgusted by it and would never want their children exposed to it.

Schenectady cops can't wait to get home and wash the filth off of themselves.
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the surrounding towns are doing just that......living in the same town they police. Their kids go to the same school district they police.....same church. If what you say is true.....than that is just proof that the city is a subculture with more violent, revengeful residents......aka....more dangerous and more crime and not safe...............yes?

And if cops are afraid to live in the area they police for fear of retaliation....what more do you expect from the residents themselves when they witness a crime and refuse to co-operate?


Well said



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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RE: targted enforcement - occupying army - they send teh officers wheer the demand is - crime stats have historically indicated that Hamiliton Hill, Mont Pleasant, and more recently Central State and parts of the Northside are a problem.


Blahbety blah blah.

Crime stats are based on previous targeted enforcement.

Crime stats are skewed due to targeted enforcement.

Most drug dealers are white.

Most prisoners are black.

I only hunt blacks because the jail is full of them is a circular argument.

Targeted enforcement causes the jails to be filled with blacks.

White drug dealers aren't targeted.

It's a program designed to keep the black population in check.

Targeted enforcement is profiling based on what you know it alls have always done.

Racial profiling.

Crime stats are based on watching your performance only.

Jails full of blacks suggest racial profiling is the cause.

Most people aren't black.

Most people use drugs.

Most prisoners are black.

Stop justifying your racist swill with crime stats based on racist behavior.

Take your race war somewhere else.

Let the city police the city.

Go hunt your neighbors where you live.



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Police might actually give a fu(k about the community they police instead of looking at it as a paycheck and pension to afford them their middle class lifestyle in the suburbs.


I agree. Schenectady cops only see a paycheck.

They have no vested interest in making Schenectady a peaceful community.

On with the drug war.

Guns for everyone.

Screw the bystanders.

Not a war zone.

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One thing they are addressing which will help is to tear down all the vacant, unsalvagable properties.


Another thing is keep the kids busier.  


And, have a zoning ordinance which limits those bodega stores to only so many within a certain square mile area.   The only purpose those stores should serve is to provide necessities for the locals.  Why you need eight within a two block arae is beyond me and they are a lowlife magnet



A law restricting cops to within 1 mile of their own home would reduce the crime rates in Schenectady 40%.

You are a lowlife for calling people lowlifes.

Cops should be fired for using that word.


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cicero how would putting their own families at risk make the citzines any safer?  


The citizens wouldn't be under constant attack from them if they had to live amongst them.

They would treat them as humans, not lowlifes as you call them.

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Rpforpres, I too spent my early years on Jerome Ave on the Cheltingham end of the street and moved in 1950. It was a nice place to grow up back then and had fun sliding down the hill on pieces of cardboard in the summer and sleds during the winter.
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Shadow, yup me too : )  The hill on the farthest right had the hump right in the middle, that was the best.

Spent many hours on the steps also.

Those were the days.
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Many good childhood memories from that area.
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yeah cicero you post here for noble purposes and their motivation is purely mercenary
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libertarian - you might want to look at the assault reports - people getting attacked in the city is generally done by people from the same neighborhood, same household, same race

lopst touch with reality

re: people's unwillingness to come forward, no police officer is unfamilar with that phenomenon.  but that doesn't explain why people don't offer more anonymous tips, not even for every minor crime - how about just for the shootings and violent assaults?

And theer are lowlifes .  it's generally a small percentagfe of lowlifes who ruin ot for everone else.
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majestyk fair point


RE: police fearing to work where they live - I didn't say fear for themselves, it's concern for their families.

and it's an entirely different job in the suburbs
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