(My question) Would you side with Timothy McVeigh and blow up US Federal buildings killing 168 Americans, many of them children
What do you consider the kids who were burned to death by our government in Waco, collateral damage?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Good choice box...Pack it in and try to save face while you have a sliver of dignity left.
YUP! I prefer not to have a conversation with a man who sides with a mass murder. You're on your own.
"Ahhh, yup, sounds about right."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
(Cicero's Response) Quoted Text " a tyrannical government bent on curbing individual freedoms"
"Ahhh, yup, sounds about right." First you side with Terrorists McVeigh, then run away from him.
Yeah, I agree with the words these domestic terrorists too.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as a heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors. Abraham Lincoln
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson
The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. Thomas Jefferson
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. Thomas Jefferson
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty. Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson
We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. Thomas Jefferson
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. George Washington
Historically, that is the moral excuse for a lot of immoral and inhumane behavior - "I was just following orders", "I was just doing my job". If you collect a paycheck from the state and follow their orders, you can never be held accountable for your own actions. It's an ingenious display of brainwashing. There are a lot of dead innocent Vietnamese women and children because of that state waiver from personal moral responsibility. I can never say "those poor innocent Vietnamese villagers burned to death by U.S. airstrikes", because in America, that might be sedition, and I would be "unpatriotic" and not "support the troops".
How about this...Give me liberty and stop BRINGING DEATH to 3rd world people in dirt huts thousands of miles away.
Cluster bombing entire villages out of existence in Iraq.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrorist attacks. They were civilian targets.
Cluster bombing entire villages out of existence in Iraq. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrorist attacks. They were civilian targets.
Historically, the 'winner' in a war gets to define what is an 'war crime'. Some Japanese and Germans were tried as war criminals and prisoner or executed after ww2.
Had the USA lost WW2, American generals would have been prosecuted for the Dresden and Tokyo fire bombings. (Note: more Japanese civilians were killed in the Tokyo firebombing that in the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. )
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Twist n turn, bob and weave, shimmy and shake... this cop wasn't following orders... he was following the law. A law that most Americans agree with and support. Most Americans want to keep unregistered, uninsured cars and unlicensed drivers off the road.
Most idiot actually think they know what most Americans want.
Most Americans want freedom to travel freely without interference, search, detainment or breathalyzed.
People should be punished by the law for actual actions that have actual victims.
The world was a fine place before insurance and registrations were mandated.
People were responsible for damages they caused.
Now the daily routine is to harass millions for victimless actions.
And yes, if you think a law is unconstitutional, then you have every right to defend yourself from being a victim of it.
No law can take away your right to self defense.
Any law that violates the Constitution is a law that every person should challenge.
Perhaps, then, they would use the Constitution as a guideline for new laws.
You compared me and henry to a mass murderer that bombed a government building because of our disagreement with federal government foreign and domestic policy. My inference was based off of YOUR statement. Since you are comparing me to McVeigh because of my WORDS on a forum, I am inferring that you would also like me locked up like McVeigh and even ban my words. Not a slippery slope but an inference based on YOUR McVeigh post.
Attempting to silence opposition to government crimes and actions is the cause of people like McViegh.
At his sentencing he stated,: "Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."
His statement claims he was acting as taught by the government.
Yeah, I agree with the words these domestic terrorists too.
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as a heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors. Abraham Lincoln
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson
The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. Thomas Jefferson
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. Thomas Jefferson
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. Thomas Jefferson
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty. Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson
We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a featherbed. Thomas Jefferson
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. George Washington
Absolutely right. The founding fathers were terrorists as defined by today's ignorant sheep.
Jesus never spoke of killing people with just cause.
God never commanded that people only kill the deserving.
He commanded that thou shall not kill.
No asterisks, no loopholes.
Jesus' instructions were to the individual, not the government. It was meant for self governance, not the moral compass for the state. Jesus never waived sinful behavior as long as the sin was committed while wearing a shied or carrying the flag of a nation.
Just like Jesus never instructed his followers to feed the masses through government and forced collection of taxes. Feeding the poor is everybody's individual responsibility.
Jesus' teachings were for personal salvation, it had nothing to do with the nation state.
WOW!!!! i just got around to reading this thread!! Bravo to all of you!!
But I must say......Cic, Henry, Shadow and Liberty have clearly 'won the day'!!!
This thread was a good read...really!!! Good job all of you!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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