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Henry
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Yes WE ARE FREE, WE ARE FREE, WE ARE FREE!!!  Keep on repeating it enough, you start believing it.  

A DEMOCRAT Congressman has introduced a bill to prevent the government from KILLING THEIR OWN CITIZENS.  That's the legislative actions of a free people.  


LMAO we were typing at the same time and repeated each other, weird



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Exept the government can spy on you with no probable cause
It can seize your property without a warrant
It can kill you without a trial
It can make you buy a service you don't want

That is a short list of what freedoms you lost just in 10 years, but just keep on repeating land of the free >



Box doesn't believe these restrictions of freedom are restrictions at all, they are just a new and improved definition of freedom.


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Box doesn't believe these restrictions of freedom are restrictions at all, they are just a new and improved definition of freedom.


Tell me about it, I was going to post Kuciniches bill earlier this week but you picked a good time to post it.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Exept the government can spy on you with no probable cause
It can seize your property without a warrant
It can kill you without a trial
It can make you buy a service you don't want
That is a short list of what freedoms you lost just in 10 years, but just keep on repeating land of the free >


Nothing on your list has changed in the last 10 years.  Everything you listed was done in the 60's 70's
80's & 90's.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Nothing on your list has changed in the last 10 years.  Everything you listed was done in the 60's 70's
80's & 90's.


Probably so but now they are passing the laws which make it legal for them to do such things, so you just officially lost your rights


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Probably so but now they are passing the laws which make it legal for them to do such things, so you just officially lost your rights


No.  The things on the list were done legally in the 60's thru 90's.  Nothing on your list has changed.  They
may use an improved system or modern communications or computer devices to make them more efficient,
but the list is no different today than then.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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No.  The things on the list were done legally in the 60's thru 90's.  Nothing on your list has changed.  They
may use an improved system or modern communications or computer devices to make them more efficient,
but the list is no different today than then.



I have to agree with box on this one...The undeclared wars, risking our children's lives for international interests, spying, wiretapping, high levels of imprisonment - it's all been going on since the end of WWII.  The difference now is, the economy is collapsing, and as the elite attempt to hang on to power and control, they are unable to maintaining the lie and keep social order. These things that government used do secretly are now being done openly to intimidate the masses.  That is how you know the liberty movement is LARGER than reported.

Before Americans were convinced to readily accept what they consider necessary tyranny, now we are being openly threatened by it - comply OR ELSE!


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It's called the "Slippery Slope", but of course you already know that...
I taught you that fallacy, yet you use it as if it were a valid point.

Very dissapointing  


LOL...Yeah, you "taught me".hahahahahahaha.

It wasn't a slippery slope, it was an inference.


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Before Americans were convinced to readily accept what they consider necessary tyranny, now we are being openly threatened by it - comply OR ELSE!


You post about "TYRANNY"??? Ask the pre K kids at the Oklahoma city bombing about "TYRANNY"!

Ask their parents if those 3, 4 and 5 year old kids died fighting TYRANNY.

The proper word here is Treason!
treason:
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
"WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SO THAT WE CAN GO DUCK HUNTING..."
"WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IN ORDER TO SHOOT OUR OWN POLITICIANS,
TO SHOOT THE POLICE, TO SHOOT YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, YOUR PRESIDENT, YOUR
CONGRESSMAN, YOUR SENATORS."


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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No dictatorship yet but there is evicence of an administration that's dancing all over the Constitution.
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No dictatorship yet but there is evicence of an administration that's dancing all over the Constitution.


What evidence?  If this or any other administration is violating the US Constitution, they should be prosecuted.
But if there is no EVIDENCE... If this is just more anti govt, right wing nut case rantings... Don't bother.


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What evidence?  If this or any other administration is violating the US Constitution, they should be prosecuted.
But if there is no EVIDENCE... If this is just more anti govt, right wing nut case rantings... Don't bother.


What evidence, didn't you just say our government killed,spied, wiretapped without following the rules of our constitution.



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What evidence, didn't you just say our government killed,spied, wiretapped without following the rules of our constitution.


No.  I said it was done legally.  


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No.  I said it was done legally.  


So wiretapping without probable cause or a warrant signed by a judge is constitutional?


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So wiretapping without probable cause or a warrant signed by a judge is constitutional?


I disagree with that policy, under Bush when it was instituted or any other administration.  But as stated
under certain circumstances, it is legal.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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