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EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016
U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
By THE WASHINGTON TIMES-The Washington Times Tuesday, August 7, 2012


Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.” It was written by retired Army Col. Kevin Benson of the Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and Jennifer Weber, a Civil War expert at the University of Kansas. It posits an “extremist militia motivated by the goals of the ‘tea party’ movement” seizing control of Darlington, S.C., in 2016, “occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council and placing the mayor under house arrest.” The rebels set up checkpoints on Interstate 95 and Interstate 20 looking for illegal aliens. It’s a cartoonish and needlessly provocative scenario.

The article is a choppy patchwork of doctrinal jargon and liberal nightmare. The authors make a quasi-legal case for military action and then apply the Army’s Operating Concept 2016-2028 to the situation. They write bloodlessly that “once it is put into play, Americans will expect the military to execute without pause and as professionally as if it were acting overseas.” They claim that “the Army cannot disappoint the American people, especially in such a moment,” not pausing to consider that using such efficient, deadly force against U.S. citizens would create a monumental political backlash and severely erode government legitimacy.

The vision is hard to take seriously. As retired ArmyBrig. Gen. Russell D. Howard, a former professor at West Point, observed earlier in his career, “I am a colonel, colonels write a lot of crazy stuff, but no one listens to colonels, so I don’t see the problem.” Twenty years ago, then-Air Force Lt. Col. Charles J. Dunlap Jr. created a stir with an article in Parameters titled “The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012.” It carried a disclaimer that the coup scenario was “purely a literary device intended to dramatize my concern over certain contemporary developments affecting the armed forces, and is emphatically not a prediction.”...............................>>>>...................>>>>.................http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/7/the-civil-war-of-2016/
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Interesting, but won't happen, at least not as it's written.  Interesting that it's in a place that pretty much stands up for the Constitution already, South Carolina, vs. happening in other places that don't, like California or New York.  Also, isn't it interesting that it appears that this would be occurring when it would be coming to the end of a second term, if re-elected, for President Obama?  There have already been rumors at certain levels that there would be "changes coming" if he were elected a 2nd time, including the fact that it may be the last Presidential election, and who knows how long he may be serving.  

Not that the above is the entire truth, just things that I've been hearing.  I haven't totally jumped off the deep end, just looking to see if there's anything that's in the water, should I lean out over the cliff too far, preparing for the fall.


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Not that the above is the entire truth, just things that I've been hearing.  I haven't totally jumped off the deep end, just looking to see if there's anything that's in the water, should I lean out over the cliff too far, preparing for the fall.


At least your head is not totally buried in the sand and follow blindly - thinking "it could never happen here" like many Americans.  The brainwashing of blind nationalism that has had a grip on the mass psychology of America since WWII is beginning to lose its grip.  A growing number of people are now willing to question the legitimacy of federal government policy without out fear of being labeled "unpatriotic".  

The civil unrest in during the 60’s was an ideological fight for federal power and how federal power should be used to control society.  This current unrest will be to reduce the federal power back to the constitutional intent greatly reducing their control on society.  People are beginning to value their own health and personal freedom more than the health of the collective state.  Individualism is the enemy of the state.


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I think it could happen here... just look at the rise in Right Wing Militia and the "Oathkeepers".  Radical crazies
who consider it their "RIGHT" to take up arms against their own government just because they had to register
a car or pay a sales tax.

(Reuters) - "The number of right-wing "Patriot" groups that see the U.S. government as their enemy more than
doubled in the last year, fanned by anger over the economy and a backlash against the policies of President
Barack Obama".

The "Rage on the Right" report  found that militias, the paramilitary arm of the Patriot movement, accounted
for a large part of the increase, rising to 127 in 2009 from 42 a year earlier.

The militia and Patriot movement first came to attention in the mid-1990s in response to what the groups saw
as "a tyrannical government bent on curbing individual freedoms". Most notorious was Timothy McVeigh,
who killed 168 people in a bomb attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.


{"a tyrannical government bent on curbing individual freedoms". ???
Sounds like some of the rhetoric on this board.}


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Obama could pass an executive order eliminating any elections until things improve or collapse which ever comes first.
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Obama could pass an executive order eliminating any elections until things improve or collapse which ever comes first.


The seeds of fear being sown and cultivated!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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He uses executive orders for everything else why not elections?
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He uses executive orders for everything else why not elections?

Yea!  Why not elections... and... and to declare martial law... and order US Troops to take over Rotterdam...
and and   why not... it could happen... or he could order congress to be arrested or he could... he could....


It's called "hysteria"...
(hysteria: an uncontrollable outburst of emotion or fear, often characterized by irrationality, emotional
outbursts, weeping, etc)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Looks and sounds a little like this movie they're trying to make, by the way you can donate to help finish this project.



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Obama has already declare an executive order creating the Dream Act, He has allowed the EPA to declare co2 as a toxic gas even though plants need it to survive, he carved up the auto industry and left 20,000 people working for Delfi without most of their pensions, executive order for internet control, and has given orders to ICE and ATF not to detain illegal immigrants without approval from higher ups. Sounds like more of a dictator than a President.
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The story sounds bogus anyways, how many soldiers would fire on Americans, with the rising groups like the Oath Keepers the military would be split and eventually be broke down. There would be the bootlickers who would not hesitate to fire on Americans but they wouldn't last long against millions of Americans.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The story sounds bogus anyways, how many soldiers would fire on Americans, with the rising groups like the Oath Keepers the military would be split and eventually be broke down. There would be the bootlickers who would not hesitate to fire on Americans but they wouldn't last long against millions of Americans.


It appears that Henry is already on the side of the militias.

Timothy McVeigh would be right at home in parts of Schdy County.


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Box would you side with the government if they decided to just take over the country and declare us a dictatorship and place us under their rule like a Chavez type government?
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It appears that Henry is already on the side of the militias.

Timothy McVeigh would be right at home in parts of Schdy County.


Actually McVeigh was not allowed to be in the militia because of his radical views, I guess you missed hearing that part



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Box would you side with the government if they decided to just take over the country and declare us a dictatorship and place us under their rule like a Chavez type government?


I'm sure he would as long as the orders came from a dem president like Obama.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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