Obama could have made reopening the Janesville plant a condition of bailing GM out. GM has a 45 plants OUTSIDE the United States -- they could have been "convinced" to close or scale back one or more of those plants and bring those jobs to Janesville.
Wrong again goat breath. You still don't get why that plant was furloughed and you have no business sense whatsover. You are just nitpicking bashing like a politician wannabe.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
The problem I had with the GM bailout was the Federal Govt allowing the union to superced the bond holders when they should have been taken care of first financially. Who in their right mind would ever invest in bonds backing a company, city, or project when the government might step in and give the money to somebody else. I also felt that the salaried employees of Delfi weren't treated fairly when their pensions were cut by 30 to 40%.
I wasn't commenting on the pros or cons of the bailout, itself. Personally, I happen to agree with your opinion on the union superseding the bondholders.
I do think that the president could have made stipulations to bring a certain number of jobs from overseas GM plants to idled or threatened GM plants in the United States. Because essentially, US tax dollars were used to bail out and prop up a company that employs thousands of workers from other countries at plants outside the United States. I don't generally support the government bailing out private businesses but when it does it should demand the money be used to maintain or increase jobs for Americans in plants/facilities INSIDE the US.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Paul Ryan Campaign Defends Much-Ridiculed GM Plant Closing Remarks
Paul Ryan's Republican convention speech references to a GM plant in Wisconsin have provoked a clash between fact-checkers and conservative media. TAMPA, Fla. -- The Paul Ryan campaign is pushing back against charges that the vice presidential candidate blatantly misled viewers during his acceptance speech, when he blamed President Barack Obama for a GM plant plant closure that took place while George W. Bush was president. The thrust of the Ryan argument is that whenever the plant may have closed, it has yet to re-open under Obama, and is therefore a symbol of a failed recovery.
Pretty lame!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn asked if it was the most dishonest convention speech" ever. New York magazine's Dan Amira described it shortly before midnight as "appallingly disingenuous and shamelessly hypocritical," Jonathan Chait -- who claims to have "the equivalent of a master’s degree in Ryan lie-ology" -- later calling out the Republican candidate for "brazen dishonesty." The New Yorker's Atul Gawande tweeted that "Ryan's outright, unflinching dishonesty on Medicare, GM, Simpson-Bowles, among others is revelatory -- a total discarding of pretense."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, if you like your health-care provider you can keep your health-care provider, we have to pass the health-care law in order to save money, no rationing, I will cut the debt in half in my first term, I will keep unemployment below 8% if you pass the stimulus bill, I'll have the most transparent administration in history, I will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. These words were actually spoken by our current President.
Rep. Paul Ryan admitted to the New Yorker through a spokesman that he had exaggerated his finish time in running a marathon after a magazine could find no record of his claim of running under three hours.
It's good that America is finding out what a LIAR Paul Ryan is before election day.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
~ “A downgraded America.” Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”
~ Shuttered General Motors plant is “one more broken promise.” Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office.
~Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” In fact, Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.
~“The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.
Enough Lies???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Paul Ryan: Marathon Time Claim Not True Making a statement that is NOT TRUE... It's Called A LIE!
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"I had a two hour and fifty-something" marathon, Ryan said last week an interview. "I hurt a disc in my back, so I don’t run marathons anymore."
But the Ryan campaign confirmed to Runner's World that he has only run one marathon, which he finished in just over 4 hours.
Enough Lies???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Did you see this guy even lied about his running times in marathons? What a douche...
Vote any third party 2012!!!!
If he's lying about things that don't matter like his marathon times... just think of the lies he will tell when they do matter. Sorta reminds ya of the WMD lies in the last Republican Administration... only updated with new players.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Obama Lies While Accusing the Romney Campaign of Lying 4:51 PM, Sep 1, 2012 • By MARK HEMINGWAY
If you want a near perfect encapsulation of how the Obama campaign is leaning on incompetent partisans masquerading as "independent" media fact checking organizations to do their dirty work, I strongly encourage you to read today's article in the New York Times, "Obama Team Sharpens Attacks on Rivals’ Character." While the article is a far too credulous regarding the fact checker response to Paul Ryan's speech, it does contain this gem:
More by Mark Hemingway
Mr. Obama this week, for the first time, entered the fray. Campaigning on Tuesday on college campuses in Iowa and Colorado, he told thousands of supporters not to believe the opposition’s attacks because, “how do I put this nicely? They will just fib.” On Wednesday in Charlottesville, Va., he ramped up his complaint, winning applause from the estimated 6,500 people.
“Sometimes they just make things up. But they’ve got a bunch of folks who can write $10 million checks, and they’ll just keep on running them,” he said. “I mean, somebody was challenging one of their ads — they made it up — about work and welfare. And every outlet said this is just not true. And they were asked about it and they said — one of their campaign people said, ‘We won’t have the fact-checkers dictate our campaign. We will not let the truth get in the way.’”
Mr. Obama was referring, as many other critics of the Romney campaign have, to a comment that its pollster, Neil Newhouse, made to reporters at the Republican convention on Tuesday, dismissive of those faulting the campaign’s television ads. What Mr. Newhouse actually said was, “These fact-checkers come to those ads with their own sets of thoughts and beliefs. We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”
Mr. Newhouse did not say, “We will not let the truth get in the way.”
Emphasis added. According to the New York Times, the president appears to be lying in the process of accusing the Romney campaign of lying. It will be interesting to see if media fact checkers attempt to spin this statement.
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