Really Cic? Really? You haven't learned anything???
OK... I'll play your game. For the answer to your post question, look up the definition of 'false equivalence'.
Very disappointed.
You're disappointed? I was playing off of the favorite lefty fallacy argument 'if Roe V Wade is overturned, then back alley abortions will be the result'. Look up 'slippery slope'. My 'false equivalence' was to the 'slippery slope' abortion argument fallacy. It was a fallacy mocking a fallacy.
You're disappointed? I was playing off of the favorite lefty fallacy argument 'if Roe V Wade is overturned, then back alley abortions will be the result'. Look up 'slippery slope'. My 'false equivalence' was to the 'slippery slope' abortion argument fallacy. It was a fallacy mocking a fallacy.
So are you saying that you doubt that if Roe V Wade is overturned, and abortion is made once again illegal, that back alley coat hanger abortions will return???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So are you saying that you doubt that if Roe V Wade is overturned, and abortion is made once again illegal, that back alley coat hanger abortions will return???
I'm saying it is a fallacious argument. I don't even think they make wire coat hangers anymore.
BTW...This post here, it's called a 'Burden of Proof' fallacy. Where you force the other person to disprove your slippery slope claim.
I'm saying it is a fallacious argument. I don't even think they make wire coat hangers anymore. BTW...This post here, it's called a 'Burden of Proof' fallacy. Where you force the other person to disprove your slippery slope claim. You are on fire today.
I'm well aware of slippery slope... but your post:
"I was playing off of the favorite lefty fallacy argument 'if Roe V Wade is overturned, then back alley abortions will be the result". is not an example of slippery slope. Women have always had abortions... Roe V Wade made them legal and safe. The Rich always had access to safe abortions.
~"If abortion is outlawed, I doubt that they will disappear... they will just go underground."~ IMO this statement is cause and effect. Just as "prohibition will cause a return to illegal alcohol." Or If you get too close to the fire, you will get burned... Cause and effect. Historically, banning legal abortions has never ended abortion.
Slippery slope is: "If you allow gay marriage, then you will have to allow marriage to goats" Event X has occurred (or will or might occur). Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box V Ciero----- This round goes to Ciero. Democrats are being inconsistent in their logic with this law and Box's defense of it fails to rationalize it away.
Those under 18 will just get 'back alley' piercings. Just like they get illegal drugs and illegal fire arms! It's done all the time!! Nothing new here....move on!
They are worrying about piercing when 16 years old, and younger, are shooting each other???? OMG!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
~"If abortion is outlawed, I doubt that they will disappear... they will just go underground."~ IMO this statement is cause and effect. Just as "prohibition will cause a return to illegal alcohol." Or If you get too close to the fire, you will get burned... Cause and effect. Historically, banning legal abortions has never ended abortion.
Fine, I'll argue it on your terms. If cause and effect is a valid argument, then my equivalence argument is valid. This law will force kids under 18 that cannot get a parents consent to go "underground" and get pierced with dirty needles by unlicensed people. This law puts more children's health at risk. Since you've conceded that you'll never get rid of piercing like you can never get rid of abortion since there will always be a demand.
Fine, I'll argue it on your terms. If cause and effect is a valid argument, then my equivalence argument is valid. This law will force kids under 18 that cannot get a parents consent to go "underground" and get pierced with dirty needles by unlicensed people. This law puts more children's health at risk. Since you've conceded that you'll never get rid of children getting pierced since there will always be a demand.
Your premise is yours, not mine. One has nothing to do with the other.
An age limit on piercing may force the practice underground or not. Either way it has nothing to do with abortion.
The FACTS... When abortion was illegal, unsafe back alley abortions were common, and only ended with The passage of RoeVWade.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Your premise is yours, not mine. One has nothing to do with the other.
An age limit on piercing may force the practice underground or not. Either way it has nothing to do with abortion.
The FACTS... When abortion was illegal, unsafe back alley abortions were common, and only ended with The passage of RoeVWade.
Members of the board were commenting on the inconsistency between the abortion law that does not require parental consent for minors and this new piercing law that does. Both are potentially dangerous to a child's health, but the political masters decided for us which requires parental consent and which doesn't. I'm just joining in and having fun exposing the glaring inconsistency in policy. It's indefensible and obviously purely political.
Your premise is yours, not mine. One has nothing to do with the other.
An age limit on piercing may force the practice underground or not. Either way it has nothing to do with abortion.
The FACTS... When abortion was illegal, unsafe back alley abortions were common, and only ended with The passage of RoeVWade.
It has EVERYTHING to do with abortion and the inconsistency of democrats. The main argument for the right to abortion is the woman's right to control her own body, regardless of age as parental consent is not required for minors. How is piercing a part of a woman's body not consistent with the main abortion argument?
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
It has EVERYTHING to do with abortion and the inconsistency of democrats. The main argument for the right to abortion is the woman's right to control her own body, regardless of age as parental consent is not required for minors. How is piercing a part of a woman's body not consistent with the main abortion argument?
I assume that you really DO see the difference between a piercing and an abortion... but possibly I assume too much.
A piercing... a (usually) temporary or easily repairable condition that often will heal by itself.
An abortion... Ending an unwanted pregnancy, especially for a single woman, can be a life changing event. The difference between being shunned by your family, thrown out to live on your own, and stuck with an unwanted child for the next 20+ years... Or... A second chance to finish high school or college, to start a career marry and have a PLANNED family at a time in your life when you can spend time raising them.
Yea I guess you're right Tbird... a piercing and an abortion are just about the same exact thing!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I assume that you really DO see the difference between a piercing and an abortion... but possibly I assume too much.
A piercing... a (usually) temporary or easily repairable condition that often will heal by itself.
An abortion... Ending an unwanted pregnancy, especially for a single woman, can be a life changing event. The difference between being shunned by your family, thrown out to live on your own, and stuck with an unwanted child for the next 20+ years... Or... A second chance to finish high school or college, to start a career marry and have a PLANNED family at a time in your life when you can spend time raising them.
Yea I guess you're right Tbird... a piercing and an abortion are just about the same exact thing!
Again, you avoid the principal argument of pro-choice supporters.. a woman's right to choose, or have control over their body. You just don't want to admit the lack of consistency in that principal argument from democrats. If women can choose to abort without parental consent, why can't they choose to pierce?
Like you said, piercing is temporary and non life changing. If parental consent is needed anywhere, don't you think it would needed for, as you say, a life changing event like abortion and not the other way around?
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Again, you avoid the principal argument of pro-choice supporters.. a woman's right to choose, or have control over their body. You just don't want to admit the lack of consistency in that principal argument from democrats. If women can choose to abort without parental consent, why can't they choose to pierce?
Like you said, piercing is temporary and non life changing. If parental consent is needed anywhere, don't you think it would needed for, as you say, a life changing event like abortion and not the other way around?
I guess I did give you too much credit.
I don't support parental notification on a trivial, meaningless, procedure like a piercing. I don't much care one way or the other. For an abortion, some teens are forced to undergo a unwanted pregnancy and life sentence of raising a child because of their parents religious beliefs. No one should be forced to give birth against their will.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Very disappointed.
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