Box, like I said before, how's that war on drugs going? It's been illegal forever and it's taking just as many lives involving the business as the actual drug use. Making assault weapons illegal will only push the sale AND production underground... you don't think countries like North Korea, Iran, and probably if got lucrative enough, central america wouldn't start producing knock off guns? Drugs seem to be affordable enough to users, why would you think guns would be any different? You can only charge what the market will pay.
I will concede a ban may stop SOME wackos, but that's all you will stop. The determined criminal, terrorist, or nutcase will just find another way. This kid from Aurora was smart, meticulous, and determined. If he could not get the guns, he would have created a calamity by some other means
The NRA isn't a sportsmans lobby... it's a Gun Manufacturer and Chemical company lobby. The NRA represents the gun manufacturer. Who arms the world??? The USA. Who supports readily available weapons in the USA... The very powerful NRA. Every day there are weapons confiscated at our borders going in and out of the country. Rocket launchers, machine guns, chemical weapons... You wouldn't legalize machine guns, chemical weapons or RPG's would you? I'm sure that with enough money and connections you could buy these products in the USA, but ATF has done a fairly good job of keeping them restricted. Should we just say F**K IT and allow those for sale at the corner Walmart? Of course not.
I'm not for banning most guns in the USA... I'm for reasonable FEDERAL gun laws that restrict access to unstable individuals and register guns so that they can be traced (even they are stolen guns) when used in a crime.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Big Govt had a ban on the type of weapon that this shooter used... it was repealed.
Wrong the gun was never banned, all the assault weapon ban did was allow gun makers to use different parts to comply with the law. The AR-15 he had would still be a AR-15, only difference would be he wouldn't have a bayonette lug or a flash suppressor if the ban was still in effect. If he wanted that lug or flash suppressor he could have went into any gunstore and bought a pre-ban AR-15 which was still legal to do under the AWB. The AWB was sunsetted because it didn't stop any crimes and didn't stop people from owning the guns they wanted.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Actually machine guns are legal in many states for civilians to own
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
4:15 PM Bloomberg chimes in on stricter gun laws By: Web Staff
NEW YORK, N.Y. -- You can count New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg among those calling for stricter gun laws following the tragedy in Colorado.
Bloomberg noted current laws require background checks when a gun is purchased in a store, but not in a private sale. The mayor directly challenged President Barack Obama and GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney to take a firmer stance on the issue.
"Governor Romney signed a bill in Massachusetts prohibiting the sale of assault weapons and he spoke eloquently about it. Today [Monday] he's not in favor of it. President of the United States Barack Obama campaigned four years ago on a platform of saying he was going to try to ban the sale of assault weapons and has done nothing since then," said Mayor Bloomberg.
Bloomberg also said some 48,000 Americans will be killed with illegal guns during the next president's term in office.
Both parties are culpable. Interesting, another Romney flip-flop. Wondering how much better than Obama he will be. That's the reason I didn't vote for him before. Sort of sad that I'm thinking that I HAVE to vote for him in November. There is only one other choice, and look what that's done to the US so far.
Wrong the gun was never banned, all the assault weapon ban did was allow gun makers to use different parts to comply with the law. The AR-15 he had would still be a AR-15, only difference would be he wouldn't have a bayonette lug or a flash suppressor if the ban was still in effect. If he wanted that lug or flash suppressor he could have went into any gunstore and bought a pre-ban AR-15 which was still legal to do under the AWB. The AWB was sunsetted because it didn't stop any crimes and didn't stop people from owning the guns they wanted.
If the shooter wanted to buy a common cold medicine,(Pseudoephedrine) he would be restricted and limited... but if the shooter wanted to buy 10 of these weapons with 50, 30 round magazines... he would only need a credit card.
I remember in the early 60's when JFK was shot with a mail order gun... and now almost 50 years later we are still discussing the same problem. The USA put a man on the moon... an impossible task, accomplished from start to finish in 10 years. We will never solve our gun violence problem if we never begin it.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If the shooter wanted to buy a common cold medicine,(Pseudoephedrine) he would be restricted and limited... but if the shooter wanted to buy 10 of these weapons with 50, 30 round magazines... he would only need a credit card.
I remember in the early 60's when JFK was shot with a mail order gun... and now almost 50 years later we are still discussing the same problem. The USA put a man on the moon... an impossible task, accomplished from start to finish in 10 years. We will never solve our gun violence problem if we never begin it.
You can try, but good luck with that... Criminals are nothing but innovative and persistent...under different circumstances and motive, they would be successful in the legal business world. I go back to illegal drugs, maybe what we should do is legalize everything. The users and abusers will always do it, no matter if its legal or not. Let the big companies come in, produce it and put central america out of business. The money we get from the taxes and the money we save from the drug war can be used for treatment, education and prevention... Can this tact really be any worse?
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
We will never solve our gun violence problem if we never begin it.
Never begin it? Gun restrictions and laws have been on the books for nearly a century and it didn't help. Fact is gun laws and regulations don't work, they end up becoming the problem of law abiding citizens who try to obey them.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You can try, but good luck with that... Criminals are nothing but innovative and persistent...under different circumstances and motive, they would be successful in the legal business world. I go back to illegal drugs, maybe what we should do is legalize everything. The users and abusers will always do it, no matter if its legal or not. Let the big companies come in, produce it and put central america out of business. The money we get from the taxes and the money we save from the drug war can be used for treatment, education and prevention... Can this tact really be any worse?
Its a tactic that worked before, look at prohibition of alcohol, it is prohibition that created the Al Capones just like the prohibition of drugs created the thug dealers. Today we treat alcoholism as a disease but do drugs we throw you in jail, doesn't make to much sense.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Never begin it? Gun restrictions and laws have been on the books for nearly a century and it didn't help. Fact is gun laws and regulations don't work, they end up becoming the problem of law abiding citizens who try to obey them.
Fact is gun laws and regulations don't work, Yea... I know... I covered this issue at post #58:
NO NO NO! Don't you understand, no matter what you say IT WON'T WORK. No matter what you try... before I even know what it is... I KNOW THAT IT WON'T WORK! (The Conservative Open Mind)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Fact is gun laws and regulations don't work, Yea... I know... I covered this issue at post #58:
NO NO NO! Don't you understand, no matter what you say IT WON'T WORK. No matter what you try... before I even know what it is... I KNOW THAT IT WON'T WORK! (The Conservative Open Mind) ]
I'll tell you what you want citizens to be disarmed fine, but since the 2nd amendment is to keep our government in check let them first disarm all our police and military from owning assault rifles, deal?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
If Cars Are Outlawed (or regulated) Only Outlaws Will Have Cars... and other lame bull sh!t
Lets see... how do we to it with drivers??? With the Conservative mind set... WE CAN"T REGULATE DRIVERS.
NO NO NO! THAT CAN'T WORK... BEFORE I EVEN HEAR THE PLAN, I KNOW IT WON'T WORK!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'll tell you what you want citizens to be disarmed fine, but since the 2nd amendment is to keep our government in check let them first disarm all our police and military from owning assault rifles, deal?
You seem to be reading your propaganda into my posts. I am responsible for my words but not for yours supposing to be my position.
I'll tell you what you want citizens to be disarmed fine,??? Where did you get this idea???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You seem to be reading your propaganda into my posts. I am responsible for my words but not for yours supposing to be my position.
I'll tell you what you want citizens to be disarmed fine,??? Where did you get this idea???
Well you clearly don't want the public to be armed as for the reason our 2nd amendment was put into the constitution, so again lets keep us and them balanced, started banning our military and police from owning such weapons.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Well you clearly don't want the public to be armed as for the reason our 2nd amendment was put into the constitution, so again lets keep us and them balanced, started banning our military and police from owning such weapons.
Again... I CLEARLY DO WANT A WELL ARMED, A WELL REGULATED MILITIA!
It's called the US MILITARY! Your right wing anti govt perversion of the second amendment has no bearing on the actual meaning. IMO, your view of an armed citizen for the purpose of overthrowing the people that America elected, borders on treason.
Arm the Occupy Wall street people in a revolt against their government... You'd call it treason. Arm the Environmentalists in a revolt against their government... You'd consider it insurrection. Arm a band of TeaBaggers with "don't tread on me" signs... you consider it your 2nd amendment right.
Total BS!
SO which group has a right to arm & actually shoot at their own government? To shoot at police and our Military? Which group has a right to start a war in our streets against our government? Your crazy group of Right Wing Militia??? Because the 2nd amendment says so??? What a joke!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Its a tactic that worked before, look at prohibition of alcohol, it is prohibition that created the Al Capones just like the prohibition of drugs created the thug dealers. Today we treat alcoholism as a disease but do drugs we throw you in jail, doesn't make to much sense.
Alcohol is still prohibited, except to those with written consent of the government.
But the alcohol wars stopped when the official prohibition stopped.
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