I have no problem with a ban on assault weapons. That said, I am also a realist... Recreational drug use has been banned for decades... how's that working out? People who want to do bad will always find ways to do it. This azzclown in Aurora probably would have cooked up a bomb if he didn't have the assault weapons.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
I have no problem with a ban on assault weapons. That said, I am also a realist... Recreational drug use has been banned for decades... how's that working out? People who want to do bad will always find ways to do it. This azzclown in Aurora probably would have cooked up a bomb if he didn't have the assault weapons.
It's not about whether a gun ban would be successful, because like you stated, look at the success of banning illegal drugs and regulating prescription drugs. It's all about self righteousness. The political argument is always argued on the premise of if you don't support a gun ban, you apparently support mass murder.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Big Govt had a ban on the type of weapon that this shooter used... it was repealed. Big Govt could have demanded a background check, similar to NY State, before purchasing a gun. To buy some cold remedy medicine you need to show an ID. None for this shooter. He didn't need any. No mental evaluation, no background check... no nuttin'... just the way the NRA demands it. All he needed was the $$$
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
To buy some cold remedy medicine you need to show an ID. None for this shooter. He didn't need any.
All those poor/minority people being denied medicine because they don't have proper ID!!!!!!
You just need ID to prove that your of legal age to purchase a firearm.
[quote-485]No mental evaluation, no background check... no nuttin'... just the way the NRA demands it. All he needed was the $$$[/quote]
Wouldn't have mattered, he showed nothing to indicate that he was unstable and he had no criminal background.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
Didn't matter. he had other weapons as well, and the drum magazines he used are illegal. I don't think he cared. Wouldn't have mattered, even in the most gun control restrictive state...He had no criminal record. All those poor/minority people being denied medicine because they don't have proper ID!!!!!! You just need ID to prove that your of legal age to purchase a firearm. Wouldn't have mattered, he showed nothing to indicate that he was unstable and he had no criminal background.
Your reply: Didn't matter. Wouldn't have mattered, Wouldn't have mattered...
In most other countries: It does matter It would matter and It would matter.
I wonder why the USA is 9000 times worse at these things than some other countries? For them, it matters.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Your reply: Didn't matter. Wouldn't have mattered, Wouldn't have mattered...
In most other countries: It does matter It would matter and It would matter.
I wonder why the USA is 9000 times worse at these things than some other countries? For them, it matters.
I'm sorry you cannot accept the fact that, even if you did a full background check, you would have found NOTHING to prevent him from owning a firearm.
And please, if you fear firearms this much, let me know when I can help you pack and you can move to one of these fine nations.
"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'
Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'
Didn't matter. he had other weapons as well, and the drum magazines he used are illegal. I don't think he cared.
Wouldn't have mattered, even in the most gun control restrictive state...He had no criminal record.
All those poor/minority people being denied medicine because they don't have proper ID!!!!!!
You just need ID to prove that your of legal age to purchase a firearm.
Wouldn't have mattered, he showed nothing to indicate that he was unstable and he had no criminal background.
You're right. A background check wouldn't have mattered, because he would passed due to his clean record. I don't get the "poor/minority people being denied medicine because they don't have proper ID" though, because they're getting it for free on their EBT cards, which is the only ID they need. Sudafed, for example, is now sold only over the counter to keep people buying big bunches of it to make meth. I don't think they even ask you for ID when purchasing a normal, sensible amount.
Your reply: Didn't matter. Wouldn't have mattered, Wouldn't have mattered...
In most other countries: It does matter It would matter and It would matter.
I wonder why the USA is 9000 times worse at these things than some other countries? For them, it matters.
Box, the horses are out the barn and you're trying to close the door... How many boys in the hood got their ak-47 or ar-15 through legal means? Banning assault weapons will only ban them from the people that want to get them legally...and you'll create a bigger black market then what already exists for these guns.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Like I said...............ya can't put toothpaste back in an empty tube! Ya can't un-invent the gun!
They are here to stay and I will refuse to have my constitutional rights infringed upon because of some bad seeds...which by the way will be around forever....thanks in part to the wonderful, multi-billion dollar war on drugs!! How's that working out for everyone??
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
This azzclown in Aurora probably would have cooked up a bomb if he didn't have the assault weapons.
Quite true, but I think he had a whole fantasy scenario cooked up in his head, that involved the costume, and sense of recognition of his great power, and glory.
Or in simpler terms, a paranoid schizophrenic manifestation.
NO NO NO! Don't you understand, no matter what you say IT WON'T WORK. No matter what you try... before I even know what it is... I KNOW THAT IT WON'T WORK! (The Conservative Open Mind)
Removing excess guns from our streets will take time... but it can happen if we want it to. Good gun legislation, similar to NY's pistol permit law, would work if it were a national requirement.
Of course it won't solve every crime, and it may only drop the USA from 4th most gun violent country to number 7 or number 8 (A decrease of 7000 to 8000 deaths a year)... but I admit it won't stop gun violence (just reduce it)
If guns were registered, and restricted, there is still a huge stockpile of weapons on the streets right now that wouldn't go away overnight. BUT As guns are regulated, the price of those illegal guns would increase... a $150 unregistered gun on the street now, would turn into a $1000 gun in a few years, putting it out of the reach of many criminals.
One thing that IS for sure... what we are doing now is not working. Other countries with similar cultures have a much less incidents of gun violence. To continue to be one of the most deadly countries on earth, all we have to do is just keep doing what we're doing.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box, like I said before, how's that war on drugs going? It's been illegal forever and it's taking just as many lives involving the business as the actual drug use. Making assault weapons illegal will only push the sale AND production underground... you don't think countries like North Korea, Iran, and probably if got lucrative enough, central america wouldn't start producing knock off guns? Drugs seem to be affordable enough to users, why would you think guns would be any different? You can only charge what the market will pay.
I will concede a ban may stop SOME wackos, but that's all you will stop. The determined criminal, terrorist, or nutcase will just find another way. This kid from Aurora was smart, meticulous, and determined. If he could not get the guns, he would have created a calamity by some other means
Part of what makes this country great is what makes this country dangerous...freedom. Freedom to watch what you want, read what you want, and pretty much do what you want. The same people that got injured and killed were there to see an ultra-violent movie from our left leaning friends in Hollywood. Of course, you won't hear any discussion about the role movie and television violence played in this, only the instrument of injury, the gun
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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