A man was found shot outside Joe's Bar, 1306 Fifth Ave, in the renaissance Mt Pleasant neighborhood of Schenectady, This is the same bar that a man was murdered outside of just last year. The implosion of the City continues at warp speed. Middle class/working class families flee -DSS clients from NYC flood in.
While the powers to be and the friends and family club are lining their pockets with 2 blocks of state street and the cops/unions are padding their pensions..............ROME BURNS!!!!!!!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Violent crime is a social problem created by America's high prison rate and the culture of the police state. The prison culture has permeated society. When people leave the corrections facilities and re-enter society, they also bring into society the violent prison culture with them. The prison culture is romanticized and is being emulated by American youth. Whether we are talking about art and violent rap lyrics, or fashion with the prison b**ch low riding pants. Prison is no longer stigmatized but is now a right of passage for large segment of the population.
One solution to this problem is to wake Americans up to the realization that policing non violent drug crimes and locking them in prison is actually perpetuating this culture by exposing non violent people to the prison culture. The more people we lock up, the more we expose them to the culture, and then release them back into society, the more crime we will have.
People who sell drugs generally are willing to commit acts of violence to ply their trade - the potential for violence existed before they went to prison.
Ok, let's put less people in prison - that should make things safer.
I said less non violent people...
If you put a poodle in a cage with a bunch of pit bulls, the poodle will adapt and become more aggressive and learn to survive against the pit bull. The pit bulls do not suddenly become less aggressive by the introduction of the poodle.
People who sell drugs generally are willing to commit acts of violence to ply their trade - the potential for violence existed before they went to prison.
I've been to a lot of bars, and I do not know of one bar tender or bar owner that served me the drug alcohol that has committed a violent crime. Have you?
Violent crime is a social problem created by America's high prison rate and the culture of the police state. The prison culture has permeated society. When people leave the corrections facilities and re-enter society, they also bring into society the violent prison culture with them. The prison culture is romanticized and is being emulated by American youth. Whether we are talking about art and violent rap lyrics, or fashion with the prison b**ch low riding pants. Prison is no longer stigmatized but is now a right of passage for large segment of the population.
One solution to this problem is to wake Americans up to the realization that policing non violent drug crimes and locking them in prison is actually perpetuating this culture by exposing non violent people to the prison culture. The more people we lock up, the more we expose them to the culture, and then release them back into society, the more crime we will have.
Cicero, I don't always agree with you but what you wrote is dead-on. I couldn't have said it any better. It's funny 'cause I was just talking to a young kid from the NYC area and while he wasn't opining against rap or style, he alluded to exactly what you're saying. Go to prison because it's cool...tell stories about the worst of the worst you've done...come out even meaner than you went in. Then what do you have? A ticking time bomb. A guy with prison time on his record and a VERY steep hill to climb before he ever goes anywhere. His choices are simple: Be a little b**ch behind the counter at Stewart's or stocking shelves at Price Chopper or get back into the biz. Sell some weed. Run some yeah-yo. Bust a cap in anyone who messes with you. Play hard. And ultimately, end up right back in jail.
I'll take it one step farther though. And here's the real crux of the problem: You have a boy who follows this tragic path to its end --a fatal shooting that lands him a dirt nap or a life prison sentence. While he's walking that path, he's also procreating. Sex at 12 or 13. Child by the time he's serving his first prison sentence at 17. Child grows up with a single mother who is either a pawn for the gangs or is working three menial jobs just to get by. Child grows up fatherless on the street. Gravitates to ones that are just like him. By the time his dad gets out of the clink, his son has found a new father: The streets. He'll feel one of two ways about his biological. Either he'll think he's a joke or he'll look up to his example and follow the same path. And there in lies the cycle that created ghettos like Hamilton Hill and Mont Pleasant. No amount of Metroplex glitz or police brutality is ever going to wipe that cycle clean. Never.
visitor - You have no idea what you're talking about. People sell drugs for money. If you're out shooting people instead of selling drugs, you're not making money. This is basic economics. Yes, drug dealers are associated with gangs, which in turn use violence to protect their 'turf'...but drugs and the dealing of them doesn't create the violence you see on the street.
How many on duty officers were on duty in that sector? How many responded and what was the time to response? Was there any foot patrols in Mt Pleasant? Was the shooter wanted or being investigated for other issues? A person just doesn't turn violent - one night decides to go into a bar and shoot someone. There had to be a history of violence with this person. Was the gun registered? Was the shooter apprehended? How about the victim? Did he give a statement? (I'd bet not, people are afraid to talk to 5-O). Has this been turned over to state Liquor Authority?
How many times must a bar, in a un-disputablly rough neighborhood, have issues, inside or outside with idiots with guns, fights or disturbances before the SPD and administration shut them down? Get rid of the places for these undesirables to congregate, you'll eliminate a good portion of the violence. Alcohol and drugs - they make people do crazy things. Bring in good housing, good jobs (not bartenders, waitresses and deep fry cooks - you'll clear up the problem FAST.
How many people have to get shot, stabbed or killed before you, and the rest of your officers, admit there's a problem - and FIND a solution to the problem. Bring in the state PD, Liquor Authority, Sheriff's - you clearly are outnumbered and IMHO, unprepared.
How many times must a bar, in a un-disputablly rough neighborhood, have issues, inside or outside with idiots with guns, fights or disturbances before the SPD and administration shut them down? Get rid of the places for these undesirables to congregate, you'll eliminate a good portion of the violence. Alcohol and drugs - they make people do crazy things. Bring in good housing, good jobs (not bartenders, waitresses and deep fry cooks - you'll clear up the problem FAST.
How many people have to get shot, stabbed or killed before you, and the rest of your officers, admit there's a problem - and FIND a solution to the problem. Bring in the state PD, Liquor Authority, Sheriff's - you clearly are outnumbered and IMHO, unprepared.
This is plain silly...It is highly illogical..."Good housing and Good jobs" will change a persons violent character? C'mon, you gotta be pulling my leg with this one. The Amish Community doesn't have in the modern sense "good jobs" or "good homes", and they have ZERO crime.
A man was found shot outside Joe's Bar, 1306 Fifth Ave, in the renaissance Mt Pleasant neighborhood of Schenectady, This is the same bar that a man was murdered outside of just last year. The implosion of the City continues at warp speed. Middle class/working class families flee -DSS clients from NYC flood in. 
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