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http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2012/jul/17/0717_scores/

State math, English scores improve; Schenectady lags well behind
Tuesday, July 17, 2012
By Michael Goot (Contact)
Gazette Reporter


ALBANY — State math and English exam scores increased statewide but some local districts continue to lag.

About 55 percent of students in grades 3-8 met or exceeded the state English standard, which is an increase from nearly 53 percent last year. The percentage of those exceeding the state standard in math increased from about 63 to 65 percent.

In Schenectady, less than one-quarter of eighth graders met state standards in English and less than 30 percent met the goal in math. For third graders, the scores was about 35 and 40 percent, respectively.

State Education officials were pleased with the progress but said more needs to be done.

“But too many of our students, especially students of color, English language learners and special education students, are currently not on a course for college and career readiness,” said Board of Regents Chancellor Merryl H. Tisch in a press release.

Statewide, 37 percent of African-American students in grades 3-8 met English standards and 46 percent met math standards.

Tisch pointed to reforms coming this fall, including the phase in of a new curriculum and the implementation of the teacher evaluation system.

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Consider the author... John Taylor Gatto.
He's an educated man, from both private and public elementary and secondary schools.
He succeeded under the present school system well enough to excel in College.
(So his elementary and secondary school did a good job of educating him)
He did undergraduate work at Cornell, the University of Pittsburgh, and Columbia, then served
in the U.S. Army medical corps. Following army service he did graduate work at the City University
of New York, Hunter College, Yeshiva University, the University of California, Berkeley, and Cornell.

He has held many varied jobs and titles... and IMO is a reasonably successful man.  
HIS EDUCATION WORKED!  
Yet he wants to deny the rest of us that same education system that made him so successful.

NOTE:
The reason there are so many views, yet no comments... the guy IMO is viewed as a crack pot!
The only reason I'm commenting is because you asked.  Other than that, again, IMO, you're view
of education is totally wacked!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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the guy IMO is viewed as a crack pot!


Are his peers in the public education system "crack pots" too?  Three years in a row he wins NYC Teacher of the Year, and in 1991 wins NY State Teacher of the Year.

As the statist will have you believe - Anybody speaking ill of the government bureaucracy is a "crack pot".  

Gatto was named New York City Teacher of the Year in 1989, 1990, and 1991, and New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991.


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HIS EDUCATION WORKED!  


It worked up until the point he unveiled the purpose of the government education system and why it is compulsory.  Then he went from intelligent and successful to a "crack pot".


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Honestly, I think you're more the crackpot on this issue.  But of course, that's just my opinion.
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Honestly, I think you're more the crackpot on this issue.  But of course, that's just my opinion.


Coming from you that's a compliment.


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It worked up until the point he unveiled the purpose of the government education system and why it is compulsory.  Then he went from intelligent and successful to a "crack pot".


Intelligent people can also be "crack pots" too.  A math wiz might be a disaster at teaching math... but
still be "intelligent.
A nuclear scientist, who wins awards in his field, may have "crack pot" ideas about politics.  One does
not necessarily relate to the other.

He is condemning the education system that made him successful on 'political' grounds.  Not for
educational reasons.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Honestly, I think you're more the crackpot on this issue.  But of course, that's just my opinion.


My guess, yours is the majority opinion.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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My guess, yours is the majority opinion.


Probably, but either people are tired of arguing with the stupid ones, or they're afraid of insulting the teachers pet.  I'll step up and voice the majority opinion.

One of them applies to you also Box.
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He is condemning the education system that made him successful on 'political' grounds.  Not for
educational reasons.  


LOL...He didn't condemn the education system, he researched the origins and explains it.  He didn't write The Principles of Secondary Education by Alexander Englis, he didn't write Blooms Taxonomy, he didn't just make up the Prussian education system and Horace Mann implementing it in Massachusetts.

The guy wins awards within the public education system, then when he does research to explain the system he is working in, he is now a "crackpot".  


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Probably, but either people are tired of arguing with the stupid ones, or they're afraid of insulting the teachers pet.  I'll step up and voice the majority opinion.

One of them applies to you also Box.


At-a-boy Russell...You are majority - hear you roar!!


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LOL...He didn't condemn the education system, he researched the origins and explains it.  He didn't write The Principles of Secondary Education by Alexander Englis, he didn't write Blooms Taxonomy, he didn't just make up the Prussian education system and Horace Mann implementing it in Massachusetts.

The guy wins awards within the public education system, then when he does research to explain the system he is working in, he is now a "crackpot".  



A General is acclaimed for his military tactics in battle...  HE is considered a world expert.
but
his political views on why the war was waged, are irrelevant to his military battle expertise.

You seem to think that his battle tactics would also make him an expert on the politics of war.
One is not necessarily dependent on the other.




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John Kenneth Galbraith

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A General is acclaimed for his military tactics in battle...  HE is considered a world expert.
but his political views on why the war was waged, are irrelevant to his military battle expertise.

You seem to think that his battle tactics would also make him an expert on the politics of war.
One is not necessarily dependent on the other.


I think a better example is if General Douglas MacArthur was referencing military tactics from Sun Tzu's Art of War or Gustav II Adolf and how he personally executed those tactics on the battlefield.  Not only is MacArthur a successful modern era General, but also understands the history of the tactics he is using.  That is what Gatto is doing.  It isn't political like you claim, it is understanding the tactics he was taught and how and why they are used.


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