Henry Ford built the car before the government built any road.The government takes our tax money and builds infrastructure so the taxpayer is the one who builds infrastructure not the government.
Henry Ford built the car before the government built any road.The government takes our tax money and builds infrastructure so the taxpayer is the one who builds infrastructure not the government.
Shadow... consult a history book before you post. The earliest roads (very crude at best) were built in this country by the Spanish (Government) starting in the late 1500's in St Augustine Florida and eventually connecting to their California missions along the West Coast.
Roads didn't start with Henry Ford... Jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Taxpayers of his community set up the infrastructure that let this mam build his business.
Where do the taxpayers of the community earn their money for the government to forcefully take in order to pay other private businesses to build the infrastructure?
Where do the taxpayers of the community earn their money for the government to forcefully take in order to pay other private businesses to build the infrastructure?
Let me think... this is a tough one... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Where would the government get the right to charge it's citizens a tax to provide for the common good???
A real puzzle this one
Why not try reading the US Constitution that you always hear about on this site. Just ask any right wing nut... he probably has it tattooed on his chest... (although he's never actually read it)
Try this Cic, I'm absolutely sure it will be the first time you've ever read these words:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
I hope you get the whole tax thing now. I learned this way back in Grahams oft cited elementary school.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Let me think... this is a tough one... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Where would the government get the right to charge it's citizens a tax to provide for the common good???
A real puzzle this one
Why not try reading the US Constitution that you always hear about on this site. Just ask any right wing nut... he probably has it tattooed on his chest... (although he's never actually read it)
Try this Cic, I'm absolutely sure it will be the first time you've ever read these words:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I love when people like you only read this far in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, see "promote the general welfare," and think that you can do anything you want.
Read just a little bit further, in the enumerated powers, and you will see the limitations that the federal government has on them, which does NOT INCLUDE the Federal Highway system or the Federal Department of Transportation...
Quoted Text
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
The only roads the federal government has the power to build / maintain are the ones that keep the post office moving.
And oh, by the way, the wars should all be over, since they have been more than 2 years, as another part of the same section shows...
Quoted Text
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
...or is that why they need to continuously vote on more money for the wars? So they can keep it in action 2 years per appropriation?
The only roads the federal government has the power to build / maintain are the ones that keep the post office moving.
That's right Rampage... I forgot to add that the guy and his 'self built lumber yard' also benefited from the Government Run Federal Post Office System.
But Mr Built it Myself Lumber Yard also benefited from the STATE GOVERNMENT TAX System that built his state, and county and even local roads and bridges. So did he succeed by himself??? We all know that his success depended on countless taxpayers who've set up the system for him to succeed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff August 2, 2012 8:36 am JONATHAN CAPEHART: Sen. Coburn, it’s Jonathan Capehart. I want to bring you back to something you said when you first came on; you were talking about people in the Tea Party who are fed up with Washington and for the abandonment of the Constitution. Could you please tell me how and when did we abandon the Constitution?
TOM COBURN: Yeah, I can. Go read article 1, section 8. It gives the enumerated powers and what you’re seeing happen – and this has been a progressive thing, the courts have abandoned the Constitution, not holding Congress within article 1, section 8 of the Constitution. This has been something that has been progressive. The American people get it. Our founders got it. The one part of the balance of power that doesn’t get talk about and what you’re seeing expressed through the Tea Party is the real balance of power that the founders wanted was for we the people to hold the government accountable. That’s what’s going to start happening in this country. We’re $16 trillion in debt. We have totally cut the legs out from underneath our kids and grandkids and now we’re saying there’s something wrong with the people that want to get back to the thing that built this country rather than thing that tore it down.
CAPEHART: I tell you, Senator, article 1, section 8, I should know this but I don’t–
COBURN: It’s the enumerated powers with be what the founders gave us as the authority under which we can work. The constitution is loaded with nos. It’s not loaded with yesses. It tells us what we can’t do, and here’s what it tells us where we can. We’ve so abandoned and expanded the federal government outside the range, outside the range of what our founders ever thought the federal government would have a hand in. You can’t go anywhere that the federal government doesn’t have involvement and wrongly so, because quite frankly, even though we’re well intentioned, we’re not very good at doing these things.
What I said Box was that Henry Ford built the car before the government built the roads and that is a fact.I said nothing like your comment that Ford started the roads that were crap and nothing but wagon trails, your comprehension sucks.
What I said Box was that Henry Ford built the car before the government built the roads and that is a fact.I said nothing like your comment that Ford started the roads that were crap and nothing but wagon trails, your comprehension sucks.
Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension Shadow... but there is something wrong with you stating your opinions as if they were FACTS. Take a look below at your "Roads that were Crap" and "Nothing but Wagon Trails". (this pic is of The Harlem River, Washington and High Bridges. IN 1890!!! )
Not quite a "Crap, Wagon Trail" is it? How did you put it??? "and that is a fact."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The increase of both recreational and commercial traffic along the river at the turn of the 20th century required further manipulation of the shore. The river was dredged, formally surveyed, and demarcated by the beginning of the 20th century. The northern tip of the waterway, called Spuyten Duyvil, went through massive changes leading up to the opening of the Harlem River Shipping Canal. This project deepened the river in this area eighteen feet and widened it four hundred feet. As a result of this engineering project, a portion of Manhattan was severed from the landmass, geographically becoming a part of the Bronx. Today this area is known as Marble Hill, and the community there continues to struggle with political boundaries that are split between the boroughs.
While the canal helped shape the communities around it in a number of ways, its plan came too late to influence the development of port facilities further south, which were already committed to a course of growth centered on the railroads. The industrial districts that formed around Mott Haven and Harlem responded most to the presence of the railroad, which developed both as a complement and competitor to waterborne trade. Movement of materials, goods and people along the axes of Manhattan and the Bronx indicated a flexibility of transport with which shipping could not compete.
Despite the movement away from using the waterway for shipping, its role as a transportation corridor continued to evolve during the end of the 19th-century. This period saw the height of bridge building as the City of New York stretched into its outermost boundaries and sought ways to make use of available land. The peak in bridge construction lasted from 1880 to 1910 and focused on the swing bridge as the most economical way to reconcile the land-wasteful approaches of tall bridges with the desire to keep the river navigable for taller vessels. Some of these bridges replaced predecessors unable to sustain increased traffic; others were erected at new sites to provide more access points. Yet another was recycled and moved to a new location further down the river. Almost all of these bridges from that era of expansion are in existence today. Most of these bridges were for local traffic and pedestrians, and a few accommodated trolley lines. Two were constructed for elevated trains lines prior to the advent of the subway.The more recently built Harlem bridges respond to land bound traffic only, as the use of the river as waterway diminished by the late 1920s. The fixed arch Henry Hudson (1936) and Alexander Hamilton (1964) Bridges were added in the later era of automobile highways. Both were intended to relieve traffic congestion in the area, but the amount of vehicles quickly increased to fill the temporary lag. Two swing bridges were torn down in the 1950s when their use as elevated train lines was no longer warranted. Two of the more recently constructed bridges (at Broadway and Park Avenue) are vertical lift replacements of swing spans, where the previous bridges had become obsolete for the subway and railroad that used them.
The evolution of the bridges across the Harlem River reflects its use as an urban transit corridor, while a few also conjure its fleeting pastoral reputation. Far more tame than the East or Hudson Rivers, the Harlem was not as daunting an obstruction as other rivers. It did not require bridges like the Brooklyn or George Washington that were marvels of long-span engineering. The river required those engineering feats of industrial practicality that would allow for large amounts of vehicles, people, and goods to efficiently cross over the river and on it. Truly urban in their response to the land they occupy, the Harlem River bridges each reflect the metropolis’ ambitions and needs of their time.
On a continual basis, those who have settled near its waters have physically molded the Harlem River and taken advantage of its natural topography. While it often seems the infrastructure that once complemented the river’s function now serves to bypass it, these ongoing alterations to the resource reflect the history of the object, the people who exploited its assets, and the manner in which it shaped its bordering communities as well as New York City. The transformation of the waterway through the years suggests its ability to again be adapted for viable uses, both commercial and recreational, by those that live and work near it. Through enhanced access and usage the Harlem River’s rich history and significance can be appreciated and honored.
In 1908, Henry Ford introduced his low-priced, highly efficient Model T. Its widespread popularity created pressure for the federal government to become more directly involved in road development. With rural interests adding to the battle cry of "Get the farmers out of the mud!" Congress passed the Federal- Aid Road Act of 1916. It created the Federal-Aid Highway Program under which funds were made available on a continuous basis to state highway agencies to assist in road improvements. But before the program could get off the ground, the United States entered World War I.
"View of the Hannibal railroad bridge, circa 1900. The bridge shared the traffic of both train and horse and wagon as they crossed over the Mississippi river. Automobiles also shared the bridge until it was replaced 1936."
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
That,s called a bridge for trains Box nice try. Congress passed the [color=red]Federal- Aid Road Act of 1916.[/color] It created the Federal-Aid Highway Program under which funds were made available on a continuous basis to state highway agencies to assist in road improvements. But before the program could get off the ground, the United States entered World War I.
Let me think... this is a tough one... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Where would the government get the right to charge it's citizens a tax to provide for the common good???
More great reading comprehension on display. I didn't ask where did the government get the RIGHT, I asked where did the taxpayer earn the MONEY they are FORCED to pay the government.
ANSWER - The fruits of their labor - AKA - A business!
That,s called a bridge for trains Box nice try. Congress passed the [color=red]Federal- Aid Road Act of 1916.[/color] It created the Federal-Aid Highway Program under which funds were made available on a continuous basis to state highway agencies to assist in road improvements. But before the program could get off the ground, the United States entered World War I.
Now that you mention it... "The BUILD IT MYSELF" lumber yard was build with the help of TRAINS... many of them started with both public and private funds in the early 1800's.
Did he build the trains that haul his lumber??? NO? HE DIDN'T BUILD THEM? Then someone else did... the taxpayers. He is successful because of OUR investment in the trains, boats, air ports, roads etc etc etc... But... HE BUILT IT ALL HIMSELF! No one helped! What a guy!!!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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