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someone helped Yasar Arafat obtain a nobel peace prize also.....

someone helped someone get pregnant

someone helped someone learn to spell(not always school)

someone helped someone tie their shoes

someone helped someone cook

the list is endless.....

but to make government a love with what a human has is WRONG.....

IT'S A MACHINE....we have all made IT.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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EDITORIAL: Mind your own business, Obama
Left-wing president favors the collective over individual initiative

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES-The Washington Times Monday, July 16, 2012


President Obama thinks business owners don’t actually do anything. This is the most convincing proof yet that he has no concept of how the economy works.

At a rally in Roanoke, Va., last week, Mr. Obama was trying to justify new tax increases on upper-income Americans by saying that no one in this country makes it alone. “If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own,” he said. It is true that people’s lives are influenced by others — most importantly parents, then teachers, friends and professional colleagues. But in Mr. Obama’s mind, individuals owe a collective debt to people they have never met, those who built the political system, those who created the economy and — most fundamentally — to an all-wise, beneficent government.

“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that,” Mr. Obama continued. “Somebody else made that happen.” This claim would come as a surprise to the small-business owners who have invested their lives and life savings in making a go of it. It would be a shock to inventors and innovators who have been the drivers of America’s technological edge. It does make sense, however, coming from someone who has never had a job that didn’t depend on patronage and has spent his entire career getting ahead on identity and charisma instead of creativity and achievement.

“We succeed because we do things together,” the president chimed. He neglected to mention that lately, too much togetherness has been a source of failure. The type of relationships that help lead to success in life, the personal and professional bonds of trust and fellowship, aren’t what Mr. Obama is selling. He’s trying to pitch the idea that everyone in business should be required to take on government as a partner, with himself as a member of the board. He’s discarding the capitalist notion of free association and replacing it with the socialist idea of forced oversight by the state. The anemic economy, high unemployment and skyrocketing debt that are the products of his policies don’t deter Mr. Obama. He envisions a golden age in the future by repeating the failed policies of the past.......................>>>>........................>>>>............................http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/16/mind-your-own-business-obama/
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“We succeed because we do things together,” the president chimed. He neglected to mention that lately, too much togetherness has been a source of failure. The type of relationships that help lead to success in life, the personal and professional bonds of trust and fellowship, aren’t what Mr. Obama is selling. He’s trying to pitch the idea that everyone in business should be required to take on government as a partner, with himself as a member of the board. He’s discarding the capitalist notion of free association and replacing it with the socialist idea of forced oversight by the state.


the kings/queens of england did this and America was sought after to get the hell out of england....

don't let the collective give you value...because in the end it's a minor few that do the RATINGS/VALUES/SYSTEMS


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Romney: "you didn’t get here solely on your own power"

Obama’s full remarks, which pointed out that taxpayer-funded infrastructure and services enable businesses
to prosper, which is of course true.
Mittens Romney agrees with that principle when he spoke at the Olympics...

" You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power. For most
of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided,
communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand
on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s
also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities."




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Romney: "you didn’t get here solely on your own power"

Obama’s full remarks, which pointed out that taxpayer-funded infrastructure and services enable businesses
to prosper, which is of course true.
Mittens Romney agrees with that principle when he spoke at the Olympics...

" You Olympians, however, know you didn’t get here solely on your own power. For most
of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided,
communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand
on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s
also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities."


Good job pointing out that Americans have a choice between two collectivist statists.  It's like the elections in the old Soviet Union.  Sure, the citizens of the old Soviet had a choice, their choice was between two Communists.


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Good job pointing out that Americans have a choice between two collectivist statists.  It's like the elections in the old Soviet Union.  Sure, the citizens of the old Soviet had a choice, their choice was between two Communists.


There are some Conservatives who do think that "THEY DID IT ON THEIR OWN"... Of course we all know
that's BS!
No one in America who operates in our business or government system became a success on their own.
Although an obvious fact... some on the Right think if they just keep repeating it over and over... it will
some how become true!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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There are some Conservatives who do think that "THEY DID IT ON THEIR OWN"... Of course we all know
that's BS!
No one in America who operates in our business or government system became a success on their own.
Although an obvious fact... some on the Right think if they just keep repeating it over and over... it will
some how become true!

All people that start a business have the approximately the same infrastructure to run their business on.
The difference between a Bill Gates business and a Bill Getz business is the person running it, and their decisions. We can go round and round about whether or not someone did it on their own . The bottom line is there are winners and there are losers...something our public school system wants to shelter our kids from until the last possible moment.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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All people that start a business have the approximately the same infrastructure to run their business on.
The difference between a Bill Gates business and a Bill Getz business is the person running it, and their decisions. We can go round and round about whether or not someone did it on their own . The bottom line is there are winners and there are losers...something our public school system wants to shelter our kids from until the last possible moment.


... and to your point... BOTH the winners and the losers can claim what ever success they have had
stemmed from their initiative, drive, or in some cases just dumb luck... but all depended on the rest of
us... the taxpayers.  No one is successful on their own.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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... and to your point... BOTH the winners and the losers can claim what ever success they have had
stemmed from their initiative, drive, or in some cases just dumb luck... but all depended on the rest of
us... the taxpayers.  No one is successful on their own.


Sometimes it depends. For example, there was no need for public roads before the invention of the automobile. The success of the automobile compelled governments to build those roads...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Sometimes it depends. For example, there was no need for public roads before the invention of the automobile. The success of the automobile compelled governments to build those roads...


Um..., income taxes didn't exist before roads.

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Sometimes it depends. For example, there was no need for public roads before the invention of the automobile. The success of the automobile compelled governments to build those roads...


You can see that some businesses depend a great deal on the infrastructure that is mostly Taxpayer Funded.  
What Obama was referring to was that AND the help that all of us receive from our Government.
Police protection, fire protection, education, public utilities, roads, hospitals, schools, the list goes on
and on.

No one in America provides all this for themselves.  All of us depend on govt or community or charity...
No one makes it on their own.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Those roads, and public utilities sure helped me with my finals and then helped me find a job too.
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You can see that some businesses depend a great deal on the infrastructure that is mostly Taxpayer Funded.  
What Obama was referring to was that AND the help that all of us receive from our Government.
Police protection, fire protection, education, public utilities, roads, hospitals, schools, the list goes on
and on.

No one in America provides all this for themselves. All of us depend on govt or community or charity...
No one makes it on their own.


And these entities depend on private businesses and individuals, so it's a draw.
Whether a business is successful largely depends on the person running it.



"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Those roads, and public utilities sure helped me with my finals and then helped me find a job too.


No Senders... I doubt that much helped you!  

Who taught you?  A private tutor? If so... did any tax dollars help educate the tutor?  Who paid for your
school?  YOU??? ALL BY YOURSELF?

Anti Big Govt Conservatives hate the idea that they are also sucking at the teat of big govt... but it's
true.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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