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House GOP Votes for the 33rd Time to Repeal ObamaCare
The house Jobs Act?  Still, yea still in committee.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The house Jobs Act?  Still, yea still in committee.


...along with the Senate budget...FOR 31/2 YEARS!!


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Maybe the Dems should be called the party of no budget.
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layoff prevention act.....what a joke.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Mandate is essential component of federal
health care law

    There are a whole group of people who choose not to invest in health insurance, for whatever reason, and just feel like, “If I get sick, I’ll just go to the ER [emergency room] and they’ll have to take care of me.”
    I see their choice as a real disregard for their fellow citizens who are paying for their “free” health care with our higher premiums and taxes.
    Tax or penalty, I really don’t care what you call it, but I call the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act a real bonus. This mandate is not a tax or penalty on all Americans. It does not penalize us average Joes, just those “freeloaders,” as they were referred to by then-Gov. Mitt Romney.
    It is structured in such a way that it truly targets those who are able to afford insurance but, for whatever reason, choose not to obtain any. My limited research shows that the individual cost will be $95, or 1 percent of taxable income. For example, a healthy 28-yearold man who believes he’ll never need health care, making $35,000, would only have to pay about $291 per year. This would help offset [our] costs when he breaks his leg rock climbing and heads for the ER. Initially, no family will have to pay more than $235 for the year or 1 percent of their taxable income, whichever is higher.
    Additionally, there will be tax credits for families with incomes from 133 percent to 400 percent of the federal poverty limits. Many groups, such as American Indian tribes, certain religious organizations, persons in jail and individuals who don’t earn enough to pay taxes will be exempt from the penalty. If the cost of the lowest available plan is greater than 8 percent of a person’s or family’s income, there is no penalty.
    It is so important to educate ourselves before making judgments based on misinformation and talking points from whomever can talk the loudest. In addition to the actual details of the individual mandate, there are fi ve facts that everyone should consider before condemning the Affordable Care Act: no lifetime cap on benefits, no denial of coverage for people with pre-existing conditions, you cannot be dropped when you develop an illness, kids are covered until they reach 26, and 80 percent of our premiums must be paid for medical care.
    The House [should] cease wasting time on futile attempts to overturn and accept the Supreme Court’s ruling on constitutionality. Let’s continue moving American health care into the 21st century and start working on the infrastructure and jobs!

    MARCIA SYKES
    Scotia

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It is structured in such a way that it truly targets those who are able to afford insurance but, for whatever reason, choose not to obtain any. My limited research shows that the individual cost will be $95, or 1 percent of taxable income. For example, a healthy 28-yearold man who believes he’ll never need health care, making $35,000, would only have to pay about $291 per year. This would help offset [our] costs when he breaks his leg rock climbing and heads for the ER. Initially, no family will have to pay more than $235 for the year or 1 percent of their taxable income, whichever is higher.


Holy crap!!!  I'm canceling my private health coverage!!! $235 a YEAR for family health coverage????? We pay much more than that a MONTH!!! What a deal!!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Those figures are way too low.  What it is: The individual mandate is a requirement that all individuals who can afford health-care insurance purchase some minimally comprehensive policy. For the purposes of the law, “individuals who can afford health-care insurance” is defined as people for whom the minimum policy will not cost more than 8 percent of their monthly income, and who make more than the poverty line. So if coverage would cost more than 8 percent of your monthly income, or you’re making very little, you’re not on the hook to buy insurance (and, because of other provisions in the law, you’re getting subsidies that make insurance virtually costless anyway).

How it works: In 2016, the first year the penalty is fully in place, those who don’t carry insurance will be assessed a $695 fine, per year, or 2.5 percent of their income, whichever is higher.
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Mandate is essential component of federal health care law


This mandate is not a tax or penalty on all Americans.


Another political hack job attempt at explaining economics.  

If you force capital out of peoples pockets and force them to spend it on a service they will most likely not use impacts everybody.  That capital that is now redirected to pay for insurance that a person will most likely not use is taken out of the local economy. So now the local businesses like restaurants, taverns, clothing stores, and farmers markets, will see less business as a result.  

ALL AMERICANS WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS MANDATE.  The mandate takes money out of the economy and forces people to pay into ONE industry.


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Another political hack job attempt at explaining economics.  

If you force capital out of peoples pockets and force them to spend it on a service they will most likely not use impacts everybody.  That capital that is now redirected to pay for insurance that a person will most likely not use is taken out of the local economy. So now the local businesses like restaurants, taverns, clothing stores, and farmers markets, will see less business as a result.  

ALL AMERICANS WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS MANDATE.  The mandate takes money out of the economy and forces people to pay into ONE industry.


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The Individual mandate was designed by conservatives decades earlier to rein in "free riders"
– uninsured patients who are nonetheless eligible for emergency treatments, piling additional
costs onto everyone else.
The mandate has a long history of support from Republicans, who were attracted to the idea that
it promotes "personal responsibility."


The Individual mandate was designed by conservatives

I guess that they were for it, before they were against it!  Figures!  

The Hill
http://thehill.com/homenews/ho.....ternative-to-mandate


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The Individual mandate was designed by NEO conservatives

I guess that they were for it, before they were against it!  Figures!  

The Hill
http://thehill.com/homenews/ho.....ternative-to-mandate


The neo conservatives are as much collectivist statists as the modern day liberal.  I don't disagree with you on this.


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what's funny is that INSURANCE companies are 'the house' and NO ONE wins against the house....

the VIG is what they are after...

emergent care should be for everyone....anything else is up to the individual and their little community they live in....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Obamacare a big step closer to communism

    Many people think they are going to receive “free” heath care with Obamacare, [but] here’s the reality: America now has government-imposed, Soviet-style socialized, dictated medicine. Lenin said, “Socialized medicine is the keystone to ... the socialist state.” He also said, “The goal of socialism is communism.”
    With its recent ruling, the Supreme Court forced upon American citizens a bleak dawn of a new national order in which the once-federal, now-central, government cannot be checked in its march toward totalitarianism.
    Washington can now impersonally impose, at will, taxes, mandates or penalties to restrain undesired citizen behavior — behavior that was once known as “individual freedom.”
    Obamacare creates some 160 new federal agencies and offices overseen by the Health and Human Services Department, which will control insurance companies, doctors, hospitals and every American citizen.
    And there is the penalty, I mean mandate, I mean tax, that must be paid if a family does not have insurance coverage. The penalty for not purchasing insurance under the law initially will be $285 per family, or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
    By 2016 the penalty rises steeply, to $2,085 per family or 2.5 percent of family income. And for companies that want to drop their own health plans, Obamacare offers an easy out: pay a $2,000 penalty per employee. That’s far less than the $10,000 average cost of a health care plan.
    The government has a way of hiding the truth with ironic names for their laws. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act neither protects patients nor is affordable.

    CAROL MORRIS
    Rotterdam Junction


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We need to stop calling it Obama care....the rails were laid long before he showed up....a whole generation spent it's time
lying these rails and building this freight train....why?

TO PAY IF FORWARD ONTO THE BACKS OF THE NEXT GENERATION......

kind of like the public workers....don't deal with current wages, lie about the budget and promise crap in the future that
won't matter because you won't be here AND you will get votes.....

is it 4:20 yet?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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