LOGIC dictates that you can't focus an action on an unknown, and that is what you are questioning! DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR STUPID (my personal observation) QUESTION?
Yes, that's what I've been saying all along...The focused action of locking out a school based on a whole bunch of unknowns accept a man threatened his girlfriend with a knife in a domestic dispute in the general area of schools was IMO unnecessary and ILLOGICAL.
Yes, that's what I've been saying all along...The focused action of locking out a school based on a whole bunch of unknowns accept a man threatened his girlfriend with a knife in a domestic dispute in the general area of schools was IMO unnecessary and ILLOGICAL.
Unless you were informed of the details leading to all this and the LOCKOUT, I don't think you can make these kind of assumptions...and the authorities will not (and are not required to) provide that level of detail. So accept that they were acting in good faith in trying to protect the public and especialy the children rather than making it a war state mentality!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
The police need to assess the danger present in each case. In a case that involves a "DOMESTIC DISPUTE", as this case appears to be, quite often the children are involved as part of the struggle between the adults. An irate parent will go to the school in an attempt to "take" the children, who are used as pawns in the adult's conflict.
A "DOMESTIC DISPUTE" where children are involved, often degenerates into a situation where one parent might enter the school... so a lockdown is appropriate. The kids in this type of situation are a likely target.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
and the authorities will not (and are not required to) provide that level of detail. So accept that they were acting in good faith in trying to protect the public
Yeah...That "good faith" mentality is what got us to this point. Endless wars since WWII, Patriot Act, NDAA, the highest incarceration rate in the western developed world, more surveillance, more violent police responses to non violent offenses.
I choose to question the authorities (authoritarians). I won't sit here and not just swallow the lies offered by the "authority". America has been frog marched into a police state because of their "good faith" naiveté. Believe me, I know I am in the minority. Most of the sheep clamor for protection.
I believe is safety for children wherever.....BUT.....where is this guy now?????.....I think that is the question.....and is the law keeping the public
informed of the investigation......AND......is he getting a favor>>>>>>>>> shouldn't the public still be conceerned????????????????
Concentrate on NOW......where is this dangerous 200 # man.........who is he where is he....what's it all about ALFIE ???????????????
I used to work with this guy years ago, he never seemed like the violent type.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I question authority too, but apply logic and reason to my understanding and decision process. I do not automatically discount all actions by private, public, or others. People must try to understand prior to judgement, not judge and discount actions as police state regardless. We wil continue to disagree, I am sure of that...but one thing we can agree on is your freedom to feel and express yourself as you do....the government, the military and population of this country provide and protect that.
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
I used to work with this guy years ago, he never seemed like the violent type.
You can't say that...You are not an "authority". The next rebuttal from box or joebxr will be, ' the silent friendly types are often the most violent'. That is why the State Helicopters were called.
I want to know who the girlfriend is that reported it. To get 3 schools locked OUT and a state helicopter and press release for a domestic dispute, she has to know somebody to get those types of resources.
You can't say that...You are not an "authority". The next rebuttal from box or joebxr will be, ' the silent friendly types are often the most violent'. That is why the State Helicopters were called.
I want to know who the girlfriend is that reported it. To get 3 schools locked OUT and a state helicopter and press release for a domestic dispute, she has to know somebody to get those types of resources.
Not sure but from what I heard this is way overblown.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
A Lockout is a procedure which prevents unauthorised persons from entering the school and is commonly used when the threat is general or the incident is occurring in the immediate area of the school. This procedure allows school activities to continue as normal during the outside disruption.
That doesn't answer the question of whether the students can exit the school. It also doesn't define 'authorized persons'. Is the parent an authorized person that wants to enter the building to remove their child? If parents aren't allowed in and students are not allowed to exit the building, that is called being detained. I am curious whether or not the children were being detained.
Not sure but from what I heard this is way overblown.
It may well have been unnecessary, but until the police have the situation under control, there is no way of telling the necessary from the unnecessary... The protocol is to protect the kids... and to do that you need to act before the shooting starts.
Columbine shooting:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Well, I tried to have the civil discussion, but boviously I am a fool for thinking it would work....ENJOY YOUR WORLD!
Joe, my jabs are light hearted...You take it way too serious. This discussion is civil. We have two different world views and two different beliefs in detaining school children and what the proper state response is. I'm sorry you take things so personal. I think people's attitudes toward state actions should be with suspicion, especially when we are detaining children(because I'm pretty sure the students can't leave during 'lock out'). You apparently give police and school districts carte blanche rule over children in times of 'danger'. If there was a tornado, or earthquake, or a shooting spree in the school parking lot, I see that as justifiable. You seem to have a more forgiving threshold for justifiable detainment.
Joe, my jabs are light hearted...You take it way too serious. This discussion is civil. We have two different world views and two different beliefs in detaining school children and what the proper state response is. I'm sorry you take things so personal. I think people's attitudes toward state actions should be with suspicion, especially when we are detaining children(because I'm pretty sure the students can't leave during 'lock out'). You apparently give police and school districts carte blanche rule over children in times of 'danger'. If there was a tornado, or earthquake, or a shooting spree in the school parking lot, I see that as justifiable. You seem to have a more forgiving threshold for justifiable detainment.
Cicero wants to call the police AFTER the shots are fired. He waits till there is a "shooting spree in the school parking lot" before he considers the situation to be serious. With a 5-15 minute response time for the first police cruiser, several more officers arrive minutes later... even a slow shooter with a single shot pistol would manage to kill a couple dozen kids by then, and still have plenty of time to take a few shots at the police.
Cic believes above all else in FREEDOM... (the freedom to be shot it appears) but he wants to take away what most of us consider FREEDOM... the freedom to live with reasonable precautions taken to protect our kids.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Joe, my jabs are light hearted...You take it way too serious. This discussion is civil. We have two different world views and two different beliefs in detaining school children and what the proper state response is. I'm sorry you take things so personal. I think people's attitudes toward state actions should be with suspicion questioning and trying to understand is much more reasonable than automatically being suspicious, especially when we are detaining children(because I'm pretty sure the students can't leave during 'lock out'). You apparently give police and school districts carte blanche rule over children in times of 'danger'. Unfair evaluation, similar to how your thought pattern apparently works. Judgemental without knowing enough facts!!!! If there was a tornado, or earthquake, or a shooting spree in the school parking lot, I see that as justifiable. You seem to have a more forgiving threshold for justifiable detainment.REPEAT: Unfair evaluation, similar to how your thought pattern apparently works. Judgemental without knowing enough facts!!!!
JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!! JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!
It may well have been unnecessary, but until the police have the situation under control, there is no way of telling the necessary from the unnecessary... The protocol is to protect the kids... and to do that you need to act before the shooting starts.
As Cicero pointed out the police don't have it under control, he is still on the streets so why aren't the schools on lock down today? Linking Columbine to a boyfriend and girlfriend fight is outrageous.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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