Notre Dame sues Obama administration over birth control mandate By Liz Goodwin National Affairs Reporter
On Monday, the University of Notre Dame filed suit against the Obama administration over its rule that all employers must offer contraception in their insurance plans. Notre Dame is now the seventh religious college to sue over the mandate; it's also the largest school to do so.
President Barack Obama gave the commencement address at the prominent Catholic university in 2009.
In its suit, the school says that health care reform's contraception mandate violates its religious freedom and would require it to go against Catholic principles by offering contraception and sterilization to students and faculty in its insurance plan. The university serves 11,500 students of different religious faiths, and is traditionally led by a Catholic priest as president.........................>>>>...........................>>>>.........................http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ti.....ntrol-160818824.html
Don't know if it was a Freudian slip by the Admin, but I like your title on this better than the one that the original editors came up with, after all, it is a war on Women and their rights to be mothers and follow their religious beliefs, right? "Notre Dames," not "Notre Dame."
Feb 10, 2012 Senior administration officials announced early this morning that President Obama will announce a new “accommodation” for religious liberties in the rule requiring all employers to offer contraception coverage without additional cost sharing. Under the new policy, “all women will still have access to free preventive care, including contraception,” no matter where they work. However, if a nonprofit religiously affiliated organization like a Catholic college or hospital objects to offering birth control, the insurance company will be required to provide the coverage free of charge and the employer will not pay for it.
The mandate is modeled on existing rules in six states, exempts houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of faith, and offers employers a transitional period of one year to determine how best to comply with the rule. It’s also nothing new. Twenty-eight states already require organizations that offer prescription insurance to cover contraception and since 98 percent of Catholic women use birth control, many Catholic institutions offer the benefit to their employees. For instance, a Georgetown University spokesperson said yesterday that employees “have access to health insurance plans offered and designed by national providers to a national pool. These plans include coverage for birth control.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So, in other words, he's going to make the company that they work for cover it, they're just not going to make them pay for it. They're going to make the insurance company give it to them for "free," but they won't get a reduced price on the premiums that other companies that don't care whether it's in the plan or not (or actually wanted it in the plan). So, in fact, in name only, they will "not be paying for it."
The employees will get it "free," the company "won't pay for it," but the insurance company will not reduce their price. In other words, we'll tell you you're not paying for it, even though you still have to actually pay for it.
...many Catholic institutions offer the benefit to their employees. For instance, a Georgetown University spokesperson said yesterday that employees “have access to health insurance plans offered and designed by national providers to a national pool. These plans include coverage for birth control.”
It's so funny, the article acknowleges that many Catholic organizations offer plans that include birth control. That's how we know this has nothing to do with women and womens reproductive rights, but rather CONTROL over the Catholic and other religious organizations. The government doesn't want voluntary participation BUT MANDATED compliance.
So, in other words, he's going to make the company that they work for cover it, they're just not going to make them pay for it. They're going to make the insurance company give it to them for "free," but they won't get a reduced price on the premiums that other companies that don't care whether it's in the plan or not (or actually wanted it in the plan). So, in fact, in name only, they will "not be paying for it."
The employees will get it "free," the company "won't pay for it," but the insurance company will not reduce their price. In other words, we'll tell you you're not paying for it, even though you still have to actually pay for it.
OK. This has been posted several times, but for those who may have missed it...
IT'S CHEAPER TO OFFER BIRTH CONTROL FOR A GROUP THAN NOT TO. WHEN YOU OFFER BIRTH CONTROL, WOMEN USE IT AND GET PREGNANT MUCH LESS OFTEN PER GROUP THAN WHEN IT'S NOT OFFERED. AN INSURANCE COMPANY SAVES DOLLARS IF THEY OFFER BIRTH CONTROL BY NOT PAYING FOR THE VERY EXPENSIVE ENSUING PREGNANCY AND BIRTH COVERAGE.
The options are: Pay for relatively inexpensive contraceptive coverage, or Pay for pregnancy, prenatal, hospital birth, recovery, and add a new dependent baby for the next 18 years.
Birth control is a bargain for the insurance company.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It's so funny, the article acknowleges that many Catholic organizations offer plans that include birth control. That's how we know this has nothing to do with women and womens reproductive rights, but rather CONTROL over the Catholic and other religious organizations. The government doesn't want voluntary participation BUT MANDATED compliance.
Again, Cic... No religious group is forced to pay for birth control coverage. Every Catholic group can opt out of paying for contraceptive coverage. If a Catholic woman, as most do, want coverage, that will be paid for by the insurance provider.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Again, Cic... No religious group is forced to pay for birth control coverage. Every Catholic group can opt out of paying for contraceptive coverage. If a Catholic woman, as most do, want coverage, that will be paid for by the insurance provider.
It's paid through premiums Box...And please to give me the 'birth control is "free" because it prevents insurance from paying out for the high cost of children'. If that were the case, then preventing EVERYBODY from having children ever again would be the most cost effective for all insurance providers. And if that is the case and they were successful, over the course of a generation or two, there wouldn't be anybody left to buy their insurance policies.
The future productivity of a new born baby pays into the future risk pool. If you limit the birth rate, you shrink the future risk pool, which actually increases cost for the users in the system.
It's paid through premiums Box...And please to give me the 'birth control is "free" because it prevents insurance from paying out for the high cost of children'. If that were the case, then preventing EVERYBODY from having children ever again would be the most cost effective for all insurance providers. And in that is the case and they were successful, over the course of a generation, there wouldn't be anybody left to buy their insurance policies. The future productivity of a new born baby pays into the future risk pool. If you limit the birth rate, you shrink the future risk pool, which actually increases cost for the users in the system.
Ya just make it up as you go along don't ya Cic?
The population of the USA and the entire earth is growing, not shrinking. Insurance companies, like most US corporations rely on this year's profit... often this quarters profit... not the long range birth rate of the entire USA.
Since prenatal, and birth coverage is pretty much universal, the insurance companies can't deny that coverage. What they can do to lower their costs is to promote a customer base that is healthier longer and has less medical needs for a longer period of time. Since they can't easily eliminate pregnancy, hospital and child coverage, one way that impacts their bottom line directly is to offer an easy, inexpensive contraceptive coverage to lower their costs. Don't worry about babies being born Cic... The Human race has been spitting out babies for hundreds of thousands of years... A conservative War on Women is doomed to failure.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Catholic groups join in on birth control lawsuit By: Courtney Gross
"People of good will on both sides of the debate have been sorting through some very complicated questions to find a solution that works for everyone. Today's announcement, we have done that," said President Barak Obama.
…Versus the church.
"Are we going to have to give up our soup kitchens, our day care centers, our inner city schools, our health care centers, because we are going to be required by the federal government to do something that we find morally repugnant?" asked Cardinal Timothy Dolan.
That is a new requirement by the Obama administration to require employers provide insurance coverage for contraceptives. Religious institutions would have to meet several criteria to be found exempt.
It's a sensitive subject for Catholic institutions, so the Archdiocese of New York filed a federal lawsuit in Brooklyn on Monday. And they were joined by religious institutions across the country, like the University of Notre Dame............................>>>>...........................>>>>........................http://capitalregion.ynn.com/c.....rth-control-lawsuit/
The population of the USA and the entire earth is growing, not shrinking. Insurance companies, like most US corporations rely on this year's profit... often this quarters profit... not the long range birth rate of the entire USA.
Since prenatal, and birth coverage is pretty much universal, the insurance companies can't deny that coverage. What they can do to lower their costs is to promote a customer base that is healthier longer and has less medical needs for a longer period of time. Since they can't easily eliminate pregnancy, hospital and child coverage, one way that impacts their bottom line directly is to offer an easy, inexpensive contraceptive coverage to lower their costs.
So the birth rate goes up regardless of "free" contraception? How is insurance companies giving "free" contraception paying for itself again? You tend to talk in circles and double speak. Will the insurance companies recoup the cost of the "free" contraception given away this year through increased premiums next year? It isn't "free" but a delayed cost.
I don't understand the premise of "free contraception" pays for itself if the overall population goes up regardless. Your argument used to based on the cost saving from reduction of children born paid for the birth control. Now you argue that it doesn't affect the birth rate.
Only you can can give evidence arguing against your own premise and think you are advancing your argument.
NOTHING is free!!! Every working person is mandated to pay for it either through their taxes or their private health care!!!!
IT'S NOT FREE!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I could explain it all again... But they still wouldn't get it.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If there is such a population explosion because of 'lack of' birthcontrol, I'd say the rest of the groups should step up to the plate and STOP taking flu shots.
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
First, I challenge the statement that 98% of Catholic women use birth control. Common sense will tell anyone that Catholic women who have not reached child-bearing age and those who have passed child-bearing age are not likely to be using birth control.
Second, it doesn't matter how many individual Catholics ( or of any church for that matter) follow a church teaching or not. The Constitution clearly states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." . We are reminded of Thomas Jefferson's own words in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, written in 1779: "No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no way diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
For me, the most important issue in the 2012 Election is whether our FOUNDATIONAL NATIONAL PRINCIPLES of Religious Liberty/Freedom of Expression will survive. I can not and will not support a candidate for president who not only has no respect for Religious Liberty but has plainly and clearly declared war on it.
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