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GrahamBonnet
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GB

Now you cannot even get my gender right.


No, I have it perfectly correct. You are a nice lady. You are obviously a woman based on your clinging to far-left wing politicians and a government solution to everything. I suspect you also went to a state school for an associates based on your writings. You will never convince me you are a man with any experience in the private sector and you certainly believe the democraps are your savior. You can't fool us!!!


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Libertarian4life
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Nothing is truly anonymous .. if you really want to find out who made the tip, you've got resources to do it, and that's what scares people.


Absolutely correct.

The reason people won't help is because they have learned that they will be used and hung out to dry if need be.

Add that to the fact that there is no anonymity and you have a system that favors keeping the criminals anonymous.

Perhaps if you want to connect with the neighborhood, you should hire from within the neighborhood.

Importing police from the burbs to come hunt your neighbors, for fun and profit doesn't make you the good guys.

Neighborhoods are targeted for enforcement. Most low income areas with high amount of crimes, are due to the aggressive enforcement targeted upon them. Sure it's easy to say that most of the criminals in Sch'dy County are black or other minorities. It is a preemptive outcome when that's what/where you hunt.

All the minority drug offenders in jail don't supply all the white residents of the County. They just happen to be the targeted bodies to fill the incarceration vacancies.

The aggressive targeting of neighborhoods is the cause of the wall of silence between the neighborhood residents and the police.

If police want to be part of the neighborhood and make changes, they need to become part of the neighborhood.

No one will trust outsiders. The police have designed a system of keeping everyone looking inward, onto the targeted chosen people.

By people who live in the burbs. Whose friends, neighbors and family members are also drug users, just not the targeted people of choice. You can't have an ever increasing rate of aggression enforced upon a neighborhood, without them taking up arms to not become your prisoners for life. If a witness appears, and it threatens the criminal, the witness becomes endangered.

The war against the Hill and now Mt. Pleasant has done nothing in the past 50 years except to increase crime, violence, distrust, declining property values and an overwhelming feeling of mistrust of the authorities.

While the Union College dopers party in the streets every night like it's Mardi Gras.

Schenectady and Albany crime rates are specifically designed by targeting, to continue to be the source of revenue for the incarceration industry. People are tired of there neighborhoods being decimated by outsiders and nothing good can ever be expected to come from it. The Hill and Mt Pleasant are far worse than they have ever been. No one feels safe. No ones even feels safe enough to call the police.

The police need to power down from Robocop mode and live within the budget constraints, not perpetually overburden the taxpayers with a war that they lost decades ago, and that Schenectady can't afford.

Asking someone to turn in their neighbor is asking them to sell their neighbor into prison factory slavery, while keeping the police comfortable living elsewhere, ignoring the suburban drug dealing, gambling and political influence buying.

Bottom line: End importation of police. Police must live in the neighborhoods they target.

**begin ip address search for Libertarian4life>
**locate service provider account details>
**perform background check>
**add to the targeted list>
**post deniability>

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If you can't defend the issues, have the cajones to say - "maybe they're right, let's work together to change it or make it better" - instead of bashing the citizens of the city for not calling in and risking their lives & families. Don't lie and call it an "anonymous" program or tip. It rarely is.  Until the people of this city/community can TRUST their local PD and elected officials, things will remain "as is".


Would be nice to work together  

Many years ago I was calling in tips on drug deals, was hooked up to a state police investigator. This went on for along time. I was waiting for the big raid to happen. Well it happened immediately after the people moved out, the law waited a year and I know somehow the dealers were tipped off.

I guess visitor dosen't get it. People HAVE tried to do the right thing, with NO results.  Just like the elderly lady MT mentioned, her address should not have gone out on the scanner, there are other ways to communicate.

There are good people who care, but when they see no results they say fu*k it.  

And there are good people who care who get harrassed by law and threatened.

I'm not saying all cops are bad, I know there are some good ones, what they have to realize is there are famlies who work hard, who pay taxes, who want to feel safe in their homes and neighborhoods. But when you get treated badly JUST because where you live, well you lose respect.

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The reason people won't help is because they have learned that they will be used and hung out to dry if need be.


Libertarian4life-I posted about the same time as you and just read your post and I'm tearing up cause you really do get and you know what happens to people, good people : (


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What color is the sky in you world?  If someone called up from a phone they didn't own and quickly gave police the name of the shooter - how would anybody find out?


Let me see?

1. Contact service provider and get the phone records.
2. Perform background check on the owner of the phone.
3. Ask him who might have used his phone.
4. Threaten, annoy and harass the owner into cooperating.
5. Threaten his family and friends.

Did I leave anything out?

Oh yes:
Use the GPS system to track the location at the time the call was made, and all other telephones that were in the proximity.
Locate any video cameras in the proximity and search for video of the person that might have used to phone.
Conduct interviews with others that were nearby at the time of the call.

Really, trust anonymity?

You must be kidding.

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OK, being relatively new here, I just did the customary search of all previous posts by visitor:

http://www.rotterdamny.net/v-search/p-2/s-1340544169/l-0/

Visitor continually defends the idea that Schenectady, is not in fact a war zone, and that the police do not spend more than the city can afford.

First the war zone issue. Perhaps the argument could be made that it isn't in fact a declared war, except that it is a declared war on drugs and the poorest neighborhoods. Occupation by outside forces, being declared to be there for your protection, is a war zone. I would call it local law enforcement if, and only if, the law enforcement personnel were in fact members of the area being enforced/occupied.

Now the spending issue.

Schenectady has become a source of income for outsiders at the expense of the actual resident taxpayers, that they claim to protect.

There are layers of redundancy and overlapping jurisdictional responsibilities all fighting over their share of the taxpayer's booty.

The towns, the city, the state and the county all want their piece of the pie.

The bakery closed years ago. The pies are gone. The taxpayers have been taken to the cleaners.

While the towns, the city, the sate and the county fight over the remaining carcasses.

A redundantly layered, taxpayer sponsored, police welfare state.

Combined with the redundantly layered corporate welfare scamming being performed, layer by layer, throughout the towns, the city, the state and the county, that have driven down the value of homeowners by over 25%, each serve to keep everyone except the taxpayers happy.

Spend more money on police, lockup more people, spend more money attracting corporations that will someday become taxpayers and lower your taxes.

Hooey!

There is no way that you can spend your way out of homeowner indebtedness.

The police, the government and the corporations that they serve, are the biggest case of welfare fraud ever, designed with intent to bleed the taxpayers dry, as each gets their personal share of the booty.

Layered redundant taxation.

Thievery!



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Why do I bother wasting time on a  child?

Thd internet - a refuge for cowards
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People are willing to step forward - the people who go to nehighbohood association meetings and the neighborhood watch are more than willing to work with the police, as opposed to sitting around
whining on the internet.

You do not know what you're atlking about - the police get tips and information form the public all the time.  Could that anecdote be accurate - sure, but, because something goes wrong once or even several times - that means you just quit.
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MT again - if someone calls in and it is not their phoine and they have not identified themselves - it is impossible to find out who they are,  You are imagining things.
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Libertarian - pelase give me one example of a citizen providing anonymous info who was located in that way - you can't.
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Thd internet - a refuge for cowards


Well, the police force is the original refuge of the coward.  All the wussy's in school joined the Junior Explorers and ratted on everybody.  The physically and mentally weak quickly realized that the badge and gun gave them power and respect they otherwise would never attain without it.  You take away the badge and gun and most of these cops would be working for a successful business person in the private industry digging ditches.


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Libertarian - pelase give me one example of a citizen providing anonymous info who was located in that way - you can't.



And you can't give a single example of a person that called in anonymously and wasn't looked for, or outed.

For the exact same reason.

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People are willing to step forward - the people who go to nehighbohood association meetings and the neighborhood watch are more than willing to work with the police, as opposed to sitting around
whining on the internet.

You do not know what you're atlking about - the police get tips and information form the public all the time.  Could that anecdote be accurate - sure, but, because something goes wrong once or even several times - that means you just quit.


Of course you cherry picked a single fact to dispute.

The VAST MAJORITYconsider the police to be an occupying force.

And yes, I do know what I am talking about.

I'm talking about you being the voice of denial of the reality of a war zone; that which the imported occupiers, need to continue, to sustain their much better than average lifestyles.

There were plenty of informants in Iraq. That doesn't justify resident targeting, invading hordes, hunting them for fun and profit.

I repeat "VAST MAJORITY"


Informants = a couple of hand fulls of brainwashed well intentioned neighborhood watch nitwits.

Non-informants = >50,000

Sell your urgent need to fight a war to some other city.

Taxpayers of Schenectady are being brutally pillaged by your employers.

You serve the fear mongering, money grubbing, self perpetuating, elite, drug warriors that target entire neighborhoods for decimation.

Then your employers take the worthless properties and offer it up to their corporate masters.

Same as it ever was.

Nothing in Schenectady has improved except for the amount of taxes the elite get to divide up.

While living in the burbs.
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Shadow - That does not explain why they don't provide information anonymously.


it's so thick out there......momma has MULTIPLE baby daddies......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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