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BOSTON, April 14 (UPI) -- Massachusetts residents who participate in the state's healthcare program
are seeing their insurance premiums going down by 5 percent.

While healthcare insurance premiums have gone up in other states, those participating in the state's
Health Connector Commonwealth Care program are enjoying a second year of reduced premium payments
courtesy of the healthcare reform act signed into law by then Gov. Mitt Romney,

Currently, Massachusetts has the highest level of healthcare coverage in the country with more than
98 percent of its residents having healthcare insurance, but ranking as the 48th lowest state in the
nation in healthcare expenditures.
UPI
http://www.upi.com/Health_News.....22081/#ixzz1s4gXeygX


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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BOSTON, April 14 (UPI) -- Massachusetts residents who participate in the state's healthcare program
are seeing their insurance premiums going down by 5 percent.

While healthcare insurance premiums have gone up in other states, those participating in the state's
Health Connector Commonwealth Care program are enjoying a second year of reduced premium payments
courtesy of the healthcare reform act signed into law by then Gov. Mitt Romney,

Currently, Massachusetts has the highest level of healthcare coverage in the country with more than
98 percent of its residents having healthcare insurance, but ranking as the 48th lowest state in the
nation in healthcare expenditures.
UPI
http://www.upi.com/Health_News.....22081/#ixzz1s4gXeygX


But are the premiums as low as the ex- Soviet Union premiums?  That's the million dollar question.   

Americans are quick to give up freedom for the perception of saving a buck.  It's a shell game, there is no such thing as a free lunch.


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Americans are quick to give up freedom for the perception of saving a buck.  It's a shell game, there is no such thing as a free lunch.


Free lunch???
The system in MA works.  It's increased coverage for almost everyone, provided better service and at a lower
cost.
As compared to the present system... more expensive, no coverage for many, and at a higher price.

I know people who use Romney care in MA.  From a single dad with a dependent son, to lawyer & family
to nurses with a pre existing condition.
All of them have better insurance coverage at a lower price.
Obamacare is a win/win situation.  



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And how long to wait for an appointment?  Thanks, I'll stick with self pay.
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BOSTON, April 14 (UPI) -- Massachusetts residents who participate in the state's healthcare program
are seeing their insurance premiums going down by 5 percent.


And what's the difference in premiums on those who decided, prior to the enactment of Massachusetts Healthcare-for-all, that they didn't need insurance?  Are they paying more or less than the $0 they were previously paying? And if they weren't mandated to carry the coverage, how many of them would be carrying it now?


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And how long to wait for an appointment?  Thanks, I'll stick with self pay.


For two of the people that I know in MA, there has been no difference in their dr office, appointment time
or care.
For the third person... they went from having no insurance, to having insurance, at a huge savings
for their medical expenses.

For those in MA who decided they needed NO Health Insurance... when they needed health care,
the state of MA (TAXPAYERS) would eventually pay for it when they were admitted at a hospital with
serious illnesses or injury.  INSTEAD OF THE TAXPAYERS PAYING FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE...
NOW THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN.


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Thanks, I'll stick with self pay.  I'll make my own decisions.
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Free lunch???
The system in MA works.  All of them have better insurance coverage at a lower price.
Obamacare is a win/win situation.  


Win/Win?  The 18 year old person that doesn't want insurance?  He/She if FORCED or gets fined, that is not a win.  I guess you could end hunger and lower the cost of of food if you forced everybody to buy food insurance.  


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This is just tooooo funny. Same thing happens in Schenectady. The reports make everything sound just grand and that the residents are dancing in the streets with joy...........HOWEVER...................the folks in TAX-achusetts HATE their great government health care. Just ax 'em! They will all tell you that they are getting exactly what they pay for.....a lesser, substandard medical system. Doctors are fleeing the state. Folks are waiting MONTHS for MRI's, stress tests and routine blood work!! AND THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE TAXED TO DEATH!!!

So yet again.............don't believe all of the government lame stream media political propaganda folks!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Win/Win?  The 18 year old person that doesn't want insurance?  He/She if FORCED or gets fined, that is not a win.  I guess you could end hunger and lower the cost of of food if you forced everybody to buy food insurance.  


18 Year old... yea a good age.  You're bulletproof and gonna live for ever.  Who needs health insurance!
Unfortunately the reality is quite different.  18 year old kids end up in the hospital from accidents, illness or crime.
When they don't have any health insurance YOU AND I PAY FOR THEIR CARE!

You can go on paying for their health care if you want to, but I'd rather just pay for mine and my dependents,
not every one who is too selfish to pay his own way.


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5 painful health-care lessons from Massachuset By Shawn Tully, senior editor at large June 16, 2010: 4:54 PM ET


FORTUNE -- The best guide to how President Obama's historic health-care legislation will reshape the nation's medical marketplace and fiscal future is the pioneering model in Massachusetts. The Bay State's reform program started in late 2006, and it shares virtually all the major features of the new federal plan.

Both programs greatly expand Medicaid coverage for low-earners, and provide heavily subsidized policies for a broad swath of the middle class. They tightly restrict the range of premiums for customers of different ages and medical conditions; they bar insurers from charging older patients, or even couch potatoes who abuse their health, anywhere near their actual cost. Both plans impose a long list of expensive benefits insurers must provide whether patients want to pay for them or not, ranging in Massachusetts from in-vitro fertilization to chiropractic services.
At the same time the plans offer lavish subsidies that swell the demand for health care, they do nothing to increase the supply of medical services in a market suffering from shortages of everything from family doctors to nurses to hospital beds. Two years after enacting health-care reform to rein in costs, Massachusetts strengthened "certificate of need laws" that prevent hospitals and other providers from competing with high-cost, entrenched suppliers. The state now requires that ambulatory surgical centers and outpatient treatment facilities get permission from regulators before they can enter the market. Their rivals invariably lobby the regulators to block competition, and usually win.

Thirty-six states, from Florida to Georgia to Washington, have similar price-inflating laws on the books. The Obama bill does nothing to eliminate regulations that effectively cartelize the market.

The combination of heavily subsidized demand and tight, over-regulated supply is a textbook formula for perpetuating the big, chronic price increases that bedevil today's health-care system.

Instead of attacking the real causes of the explosion in costs -- the combination of overly generous state aid and a dearth of competition among hospitals and physician groups -- Massachusetts is vilifying prestigious, non-profit insurers, and punishing them, believe it nor not, with price controls. In April, Governor Deval Patrick refused the request of carriers such as Harvard Pilgrim, the top-rated plan in the country, for premium increases of 8% to 32%. Instead, his administration is refusing all rate hikes over 7.7%; any rate requests the administration rejects are automatically held at 2009 levels.http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/news/economy/massachusetts_healthcare_reform.fortune/index.htm
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5 painful health-care lessons from Massachuset By Shawn Tully, senior editor at large June 16, 2010: 4:54 PM ET


FORTUNE -- The best guide to how President Obama's historic health-care legislation will reshape the nation's medical marketplace and fiscal future is the pioneering model in Massachusetts. The Bay State's reform program started in late 2006, and it shares virtually all the major features of the new federal plan.

Both programs greatly expand Medicaid coverage for low-earners, and provide heavily subsidized policies for a broad swath of the middle class. They tightly restrict the range of premiums for customers of different ages and medical conditions; they bar insurers from charging older patients, or even couch potatoes who abuse their health, anywhere near their actual cost. Both plans impose a long list of expensive benefits insurers must provide whether patients want to pay for them or not, ranging in Massachusetts from in-vitro fertilization to chiropractic services.
At the same time the plans offer lavish subsidies that swell the demand for health care, they do nothing to increase the supply of medical services in a market suffering from shortages of everything from family doctors to nurses to hospital beds. Two years after enacting health-care reform to rein in costs, Massachusetts strengthened "certificate of need laws" that prevent hospitals and other providers from competing with high-cost, entrenched suppliers. The state now requires that ambulatory surgical centers and outpatient treatment facilities get permission from regulators before they can enter the market. Their rivals invariably lobby the regulators to block competition, and usually win.

Thirty-six states, from Florida to Georgia to Washington, have similar price-inflating laws on the books. The Obama bill does nothing to eliminate regulations that effectively cartelize the market.

The combination of heavily subsidized demand and tight, over-regulated supply is a textbook formula for perpetuating the big, chronic price increases that bedevil today's health-care system.

Instead of attacking the real causes of the explosion in costs -- the combination of overly generous state aid and a dearth of competition among hospitals and physician groups -- Massachusetts is vilifying prestigious, non-profit insurers, and punishing them, believe it nor not, with price controls. In April, Governor Deval Patrick refused the request of carriers such as Harvard Pilgrim, the top-rated plan in the country, for premium increases of 8% to 32%. Instead, his administration is refusing all rate hikes over 7.7%; any rate requests the administration rejects are automatically held at 2009 levels.http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/news/economy/massachusetts_healthcare_reform.fortune/index.htm
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You can go on paying for their health care if you want to, but I'd rather just pay for mine and my dependents, not every one who is too selfish to pay his own way.


Box, you offer false choices...In your logic, you believe that anybody that steals or freeloads a service because of necessity, you must pool 300 million people’s money to correct it.  If somebody orders food at a diner and ditches the bill – NATIONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  If somebody takes a taxi and ditches the fare – NATIONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  If somebody uses gas or electricity to heat and cool their home and stiff the energy company – NATONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  If somebody steals clothes from Macy's – NATIONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  

I guess you can protect shrink in every industry if you forcibly spread the risk over 300 million people that may never even use any products in that industry and make EVERYBODY PAY.


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18 Year old... yea a good age.  You're bulletproof and gonna live for ever.  Who needs health insurance!
Unfortunately the reality is quite different.  18 year old kids end up in the hospital from accidents, illness or crime.


...Or could live until 70 and never go to a doctor.


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Box, you offer false choices...In your logic, you believe that anybody that steals or freeloads a service because of necessity, you must pool 300 million people’s money to correct it.  If somebody orders food at a diner and ditches the bill – NATIONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  If somebody takes a taxi and ditches the fare – NATIONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  If somebody uses gas or electricity to heat and cool their home and stiff the energy company – NATONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  If somebody steals clothes from Macy's – NATIONALIZE AND INSURE IT.  

I guess you can protect shrink in every industry if you forcibly spread the risk over 300 million people that may never even use any products in that industry and make EVERYBODY PAY.

The reality...
Kids of working poor parents are now covered under Romney care in MA.  That 18 year old you mentioned, if
he had a preexisting condition... couldn't buy any insurance if he wanted to because of a huge premium,
and very high deductibles.
At the present time, YOU AND I pay for the uninsured when they end up in an ER... Instead of receiving
preventative care... they have no care until their situation is critical... then you and I and the US
Taxpayers pay.
If the choice is between some one paying for his own health insurance, or that YOU AND I pay for it...
I opt for them being responsible Americans and pay their own way.



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