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kempis1
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Letter: 'Compromise' violates rights
To the editor
Published 08:01 p.m., Tuesday, March 6, 2012, Times Union, Albany, N.Y.

Paul R. Edwards in his letter ("Compromise on health plan wrong," Feb. 21) is right that President Barack Obama's offering the Catholic Church a "compromise" on contraception, sterilizations and abortifacient drugs would still force the church to violate its teachings.

The church has a First Amendment right to free exercise of religion, which means not being forced to pay insurance premiums for what it believes is morally wrong. Free contraception is not a constitutional right.

If the clearly socialist Obama can defeat the largest church in the country on this issue, no American liberty is safe. Punch out the biggest guy on the block, and the rest will fall into place.

Socialism ultimately results in government's taking the place of God. So, unless religion can be controlled, it is socialism's natural enemy. The Declaration of Independence says people "are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights..." not by the government.

Contraception wasn't always just a Catholic prohibition. In the 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI merely reiterated the church's constant teaching against contraception. Mainline Christianity generally opposed contraception until the Anglican Church cracked open the door for married couples in 1930. Early 20th-century laws against selling contraceptives were strongly advocated by Protestants.

Besides the increased promiscuity and marital infidelity these Protestants feared, the pope also eerily predicted that widespread contraception use could be a "dangerous weapon" for governments to control their populations, as in communist China's one-child-only policy. Churches claim spiritual authority, but government has an iron fist.

ERIC RETZLAFF
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March 12, 2012, 7:29pm Report to Moderator
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Does this "Eric" have a job?  Seems like he writes an awful lot of letters
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I Thought Separation of Church and State Was a Two-Way Street

How much of a charade was the Sandra Fluke "affair?" To refresh a current controversy, a 30-year-old Georgetown University law student became infamous for 15 minutes when radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh called her a "slut" for demanding a Catholic university provide free birth control to poor women. But was that the bigger issue?

There were many charades going on when Sandra Fluke came into the public limelight.

First we had a Democratic Party committee meeting that was made up to look like a Congressional hearing.

Then we had a radio talk show host whose popularity is waning who wanted to put himself at the center of a political argument. He was reveling at the height of the imaginary controversy.

Then we had a Georgetown University student who is really a political activist who appears to have been planted at that university to undermine the Catholic church’s moral teachings by creating the false argument that poor women attending school there (how can you be poor and pay that tuition?) have to pay as much as $3000 during their college years for contraception (actually $9/month birth control pills are widely available and I think Planned Parenthood offers them at no charge for poor women).

Then we have a President who somehow catches wind of all this, and in between World War III breaking out in Iran, the world economies collapsing, starting with a failed bailout of Greece, and $5 gasoline prices, he has time to call Sandra Fluke and offer his support.

So what was really going on here in this parade of charades?

Only Cardinal Timothy Dolan brought up the bigger issue – that people in government (Democrat Party) conspired to denigrate and undermine Catholic moral teachings. Politicians threw a dart directly at the church. The President of the United States mocked the Catholic Church. The great god of government should predominate over archaic and anti-feminist teachings of the church. Women’s freedom to participate in casual sex should predominate. However, that line of thinking is at odds with the Constitutional freedom to practice religion in America.

Ladies and gentlemen, under the guise of separation of church and state, under the confusion that the Constitution dictates freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion, modern America has thrown prayer out of schools, wants to erase "in god we trust" from currency, removed the ten commandments from government buildings, and sanitized school history books to measure recorded history as BCE (before the common era) rather than BC (before Christ). But now the godless are thrusting their agenda inside the doors of the church. That is certainly over the line that was drawn in the sand by the signers of the Constitution.

So if politicians openly promote forced violation of the moral tenets of the Catholic Church via mandated provision of birth control, sterilization, and abortion in health insurance plans provided by church-run schools and institutions, just exactly who will prosecute these violators of the law of the land when they are the very rule-makers who oversee the affairs of government? Just what would the penalty be for such a violation? Recognize the top man in government participated in this Constitutional defilement.

Of course, Americans can’t focus on this breach of Constitutional freedoms because the news media are more interested in side shows, particularly reveling in Mr. Limbaugh’s humbling apology offered to that Georgetown student over disparaging language he chose to describe her. However, if this isn’t an example of violation of the Constitution, what is?

According to some surveys Catholic women are more likely to have an abortion than non-Catholic women. So the White House, which has chosen to pick an open fight with the Catholic Church, is taking advantage of a situation where religiously-aligned women aren’t principled in their church’s teachings. I’m not sure Catholic women recognize their desire for sexual freedom is about to undo the most closely-held teachings of their church.

The White House knows all this really amounts to is a small bunch of robed Catholic bishops fighting it out with the White House. Mr. Obama loses only a few votes, the number of Catholic bishops in the U.S.

The White House is betting liberated American Catholic women will side with Mr. Obama at the voting booth in November. But regardless of votes gained or lost, politicians have chosen to over-step the Constitutional limitations regarding freedom of religion and separation of state from church.

What we see in modern America is a citizenry that does what is expedient and serves its own interests and Presidents who do the same. Which recent President actually took the Constitution to heart? Aren’t all Presidential Executive Orders outside the boundaries of the Constitution? (President Obama wrote 111 EOs; GW Bush 291; Bill Clinton 366; Ronald Reagan 380). Hasn’t every recent declared or undeclared war been called outside of Constitutional law? When police in New Orleans confiscated guns in the aftermath of the Katrina hurricane, why didn’t the President step in as chief enforcer of Constitution and order the guns be returned to their rightful owners under the Constitutional right to bear arms? When bills are passed in Congress that haven’t even be read by Congressional leaders, isn’t that an implicit violation of Constitution? If Americans have been schooled in the Constitution, they don’t act like it. In practice, America has a pick-and-choose law system.

The current President of the United States essentially says the Constitution is out outmoded document. He runs over Catholic bishops because he can. "Hey, the people are with me, not those fuddy-duddy men in robes" you can hear the President saying in his mind. But the Constitution was supposed to be about what is principled not what is popular. And just who wants to stand in the way of a sexually liberated female law school student? Dare to be ridiculed if you do. Someone once said if a dozen men were in a room with one woman. the men would be outnumbered. I won’t go there either. But just remember, under the banner of sexual freedom, freedom of religion has been trampled.


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     Well spoken, Cicero, whose ancient Roman namesake was one of the Founding Fathers' models for teaching on the natural law.

     Many politicians are only self-interested dolts who find it convenient to ignore the wise provisions of the Constitution so that most of what the national (I didn't say "federal") government does is unconstitutional. Only the electorate can reverse the downward trend, and that requires spiritual and moral regeneration. I am reminded of what John Adams, our second president, once said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Mobile Terminal's concern over whether "Eric," the writer of the orginal piece, has a job is as the lawyers say "irrelevant and immaterial" to the serious constitutional issues in question. Who cares? Do people who spend hours on the internet have jobs? I work and certainly have no time for that.
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My comment was "does he have a job" - meaning if not, he SHOULD be employed by local media outlets, papers or even national publications.  Perhaps a blog for all his writings.  It wasn't meant to demean or criticize.
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Historically sex was firmly linked to marriage and childbearing. Only since the lefty pot smokin hippy crazies, has the act of sex been divorced from marriage and procreation. Modern contraceptives have given many an exaggerated sense of safety. More adults and kids, than ever before are having sex outside the marriage.

This has been accomplished by the 'secular' level of society and should not be mandated on those religious organizations who do not want to be indoctrinated or pay into secular beliefs.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Historically sex was firmly linked to marriage and childbearing. Only since the lefty pot smokin hippy crazies, has the act of sex been divorced from marriage and procreation. Modern contraceptives have given many an exaggerated sense of safety. More adults and kids, than ever before are having sex outside the marriage.

This has been accomplished by the 'secular' level of society and should not be mandated on those religious organizations who do not want to be indoctrinated or pay into secular beliefs.


I wonder if Bumbler has ever heard of Mary Magdalene... a prostitute!
Mary must have been one of those "lefty pot smokin hippy crazies who divorced sex
from marriage and procreation.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Caligula comes to mind also...................
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Caligula comes to mind also...................

I believe Caligula went down in history as Rome's insane tyrant leader of 4 years.
He was considered irrational, with delusions not only of grandeur but also of divinity.
.......and this was a couple thousand years ago......yes?

So your point?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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