There may be 'some' successes that come out of the schenectady inner city ministries........but ask some attorneys that are doing probono work for these organizations and ask them what the success rate is. Sure the victims have some place to escape their abusive victim........'temporarily'. But find out what the stats are on how many victims 'agree' to press charges against their abusers but instead opt for going back to the abusive relationship. It happens every day!
Domestic violence is generational. It is learned behavior. It is a mind thought. Only the FEW escape or perhaps even blessed to go through that eye of the needle to a better life....just like the 'babies who want babies'. The vast majority just continues the cycle that they too pass on to their offspring. And PP, nor religious organizations nor YMCA's or any other group is going to change that! AND THAT IS A FACT!!
And dvor better think twice about who on this forum just sits idly by doing nothing.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I share your frustration patches. And good for you for helping that woman and her 5 children!!! Now that was a success story!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
bumble =- police went overboard - guy lunches at the police witha knife and they shoot him. I'm sure you would have shot the knife out of his hand like they do on tv.
There may be 'some' successes that come out of the schenectady inner city ministries........but ask some attorneys that are doing probono work for these organizations and ask them what the success rate is. Sure the victims have some place to escape their abusive victim........'temporarily'. But find out what the stats are on how many victims 'agree' to press charges against their abusers but instead opt for going back to the abusive relationship. It happens every day!
Domestic violence is generational. It is learned behavior. It is a mind thought. Only the FEW escape or perhaps even blessed to go through that eye of the needle to a better life....just like the 'babies who want babies'. The vast majority just continues the cycle that they too pass on to their offspring. And PP, nor religious organizations nor YMCA's or any other group is going to change that! AND THAT IS A FACT!!
And dvor better think twice about who on this forum just sits idly by doing nothing.
The fact is that the city's non-profits ARE doing something about domestic violence .. and that was the point that I was making by referencing SICM.
As for your last comment -- why should I think twice about you and the other nayboobs who sit idly by doing nothing ? I am much too busy serving the community to have time to think about that.
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I am much too busy serving the community to have time to think about that.
Well, I'm much too busy paying my City of Schenectady tax bills which support the endless barage of non-profits. For a City with over 100 non-profits, it's absolutely pathetic that this issue cannot be worked through using the combined resources of the non-profits, legal system and the City.
Only AFTER a tragedy occurrs do 'leaders' address a problem. Schenectady knew very well of it's increasing domestic violence rate weeks ago...yet no once did anything. Now a woman is dead and McCarthy has done NOTHING....
The fact is that the city's non-profits ARE doing something about domestic violence .. and that was the point that I was making by referencing SICM.
As for your last comment -- why should I think twice about you and the other nayboobs who sit idly by doing nothing ? I am much too busy serving the community to have time to think about that.
serving what?
here ya go----- pat pat pat right on your back....feel better?...you'll get your reward in heaven.
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Let’s call domestic violence ‘terrorism,’ because that’s what it is
Re Feb. 24 article, “Two dead in apparent murder-suicide in city”: The tragic murder/suicide in Schenectady on Feb. 23, possibly the result of a terrible system of injustice for women terrorized by sociopathic men, is such a travesty, it is hard to comprehend. The system of selective punishment in this country is obviously biased against women, as shown in this case. Animals and men fare much better. If a man was attacked, assaulted or threatened with a knife or gun or fists by another man, and was able to get to the police, would the attacker be given walking papers and charged with a misdemeanor? I don’t think so. If someone did this kind of thing to an animal, would they be dismissed with a misdemeanor? I don’t know, but they would probably at least be given a lot of bad publicity. Domestic violence should be called “domestic terrorism.” You batter a pillow in a pillow fight. Battering should be called beating, raping, strangling, kicking, shooting, slashing — at least assault. Women and children are terrorized, maimed and too often killed by domestic terrorism. So much money and hot air are spent on the “war against terrorism,” when it is about other countries and their peoples. What about the war against women and children that has always been and is still being waged in this country and around the world? When are we going to look at that as terrorism? Some examples: Republican radicals trying to outlaw contraception and safe health care choices for women, insurance companies paying for Viagra but not for birth control, violence against women and girls presented as entertainment in so much media, and the far too common occurrence of homicidally jealous boys and men who think they have the right to murder their perceived girlfriends/lovers/ wives if they try to leave them, not to mention boyfriends and fathers who kill babies out of frustrated rage and an inability to respond patiently or compassionately to these small humans. Meanwhile, the soft porn ads continue, as well as all the other vehicles to make girls and women slaves to fashion, cosmetics, the fountain of youth, wasting so much of their time and energy on these things instead of pursuing and winning their rightful place in the world of knowledge and careers that have been dominated by men. And yes, women are their own worst enemy in buying into this, but it is hard to resist society’s lifelong pressure to be Barbie. I hope men and women together can start looking honestly at ourselves and our culture and find ways to work on conquering the sexism and terrorism that pervades and preys on our lives and those of our mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, girlfriends and children.
SCHENECTADY Murder-suicide reveals DA, police oversight flaws BY STEVEN COOK Gazette Reporter
Eight days before he killed his girlfriend and then himself, a Schenectady man was freed from police custody, possibly in violation of a policy in domestic violence cases requiring that suspects be locked up until they appear before a judge. Based on Gazette interviews of officials, a review of court documents and an audiotape of Ramcumar Bandhoo’s appearance in City Court, it appears a series of missteps and oversights led to his premature release from custody on Feb. 15 and the issuance of a less-restrictive order of protection than had been requested by the victim. Bandhoo, 38, was in police custody after his girlfriend, 47-year-old Rafeena Rahaman, told police he put a knife to her throat and held her against her will. On the afternoon of Feb. 23, police said he again put a knife to her throat — this time killing her — then hanged himself. The case is now the subject of internal investigations in both the Police Department and the Schenectady County District Attorney’s Office to determine if rules were violated or whether policies should be changed. The investigations seek to learn how and why Bandhoo was released on a simple appearance ticket, with no bail set, and how a less-restrictive order of protection was requested by the prosecution in court when the victim asked for a full stay-away order. District Attorney Robert Carney has ordered and already received results of a preliminary investigation into what happened with his offi ce. REVIEW UNDER WAY Police confirmed they are doing their own investigation. Among other questions, they want to know whether a 15-year-old department policy against freeing suspects in domestic violence cases before arraignment was violated. A department spokesman said that despite the policy, exceptions have been made in the past. Carney, meanwhile, said changes need to be made. “This should be a wake-up call that we need to look at how we treat victims and do as much as we can for them,” Carney said. “I’m not saying that if anything had been done differently it would have kept her alive, but we can’t look at this situation and say that we did everything we could have.” Police department spokesman Lt. Mark McCracken said his department is looking into both the initial arrest of Bandhoo on Feb. 15 and the response to the murder-suicide as part of a standard review. “We’ll certainly take a look at the charges to make sure they were appropriate charges levied, compared to the fact pattern that we knew at the time — not what we may know now, but what we knew at the time,” McCracken said, “and then we’ll take a look at how it was handled to make sure that everything was done in accordance with applicable regulations and laws.” A specific area police are looking at, McCracken said Wednesday, is whether a departmental policy on appearance tickets and domestic violence cases was violated. Both Bandhoo’s release status and the lesser order of protection have drawn criticism from an advocate for victims of domestic violence. Carole Merrill-Mazurek, director of women’s services for the YWCA, has questioned how an individual accused of putting a knife to a woman’s throat could have been released without bail being set. She has also criticized how the victim’s request for a full stay-away order of protection wasn’t honored. From the police perspective, the case of Rafeena Rahaman and Bandhoo, her eventual killer, began at about noon on Feb. 15, inside 6 Mynderse St., the house she had owned since October 2008. It was also the house that Bandhoo listed as his address. There, her boyfriend pulled out a knife, she told police, and put it to her throat. “You won’t be able to call the police,” Bandhoo told her, according to papers filed in court. Bandhoo held her for a time, but she eventually freed herself. The mother of three grown children who neighbors described as sweet and hardworking, Rahaman ran barefoot and without a jacket to a neighbor to summon authorities. Bandhoo fled. But just after 4 p.m. police spotted him about a mile away, at the corner of Albany and Elm streets, and arrested him. The formal charges were seconddegree menacing and second-degree unlawful imprisonment, both misdemeanors and both considered domestic violence. The Schenectady Police Department has a long-standing policy in such cases, McCracken said. The policy states that in a domestic violence case an appearance ticket “shall not be issued, nor shall bail be offered.” That means the suspect would be held in police custody until the suspect went before a judge in court. But, McCracken said, “we have made exceptions for operational needs.” McCracken explained that an “operational need” generally would be staffing related — such as when officers are needed to watch prisoners at a hospital, or if the offi cer that would be watching prisoners is needed on the street. In cases where that exception exists, supervisors contact City Court judges and approve the appearance ticket through them. If the judge declines, the suspect remains in custody and the officer remains watching over him, McCracken said. “The department is investigating whether or not such an operational need existed at the time that the appearance ticket was issued,” McCracken said. Bandhoo had no known criminal history. CITY COURT ROLE Regarding the conversation with the judge, McCracken said that is done through a supervisor. In the case of Bandhoo, that supervisor spoke with City Court Judge Guido Loyola, who approved the appearance ticket, McCracken said. McCracken, though, did not know what was explained to Loyola in requesting the appearance ticket — whether that explanation consisted of the charges or the underlying accusations that Bandhoo put a knife to the woman’s throat. Loyola could not be reached for comment Wednesday. The end result, though, was Bandhoo walked out of the Schenectady Police Department without posting any bail hours after he was arrested. A state Office of Court Administration spokesman on Wednesday said that no judge has any authority to release someone in such a circumstance. Barring an arraignment before the judge, that authority rests solely with the police department. “While they may have called,” spokesman David Bookstaver said, “the final decision on what to do with an arrest is not up to the court, but up to the police department, as there is no pending case at that time that the court has any statutory authority to address.” As with any domestic violence case, McCracken said, offi cers offer the victim safe haven at a shelter. Rahaman accepted that offer for the night, he said. .......................>>>......................>>>>...............http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00102&AppName=1
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