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this will knock your socks off.............



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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This stuff was in the original bill but many of the same provisions still went into the bill that passed. There was a updated video which explained a little more on what went in and what was eliminated but I can't find it, either way it was still disturbing.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Of course we all know this video is total lies... but the video isn't about FACTS, it's about agenda.
Conservatives aren't  interested in the FACTS of ObamaCare, they are boring... they want Propaganda...
and this video is exactly that... PROPAGANDA and LIES.


If you want the FACTS just google the information listed in the video.  OR go to PolitiFact.com which reviewed
the video and came to this conclusion:
"Most of what the e-mail (and video) says is wrong. In fact, it's a clearinghouse of bad information!

Watch the video and believe the lies, or do some research and find the truth.

PolitiFact:
http://www.politifact.com/trut.....h-bill-needs-check-/


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, lie, this health-care law had to be passed to save money, lie. If this law is so great then why are the politicians exempt from participating. Why are all of Obama's friends, the unions, applying for wavers. Why did the government tell the country that the fee for not enrolling in the plan was not a tax and now when the Supreme Court arguements start the government now says it is a tax. Why was 150 million dollars to implement the law cut out of the bill and hidden in the stimulus bill from the lawmakers and public.
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If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, lie, this health-care law had to be passed to save money, lie. If this law is so great then why are the politicians exempt from participating. Why are all of Obama's friends, the unions, applying for wavers. Why did the government tell the country that the fee for not enrolling in the plan was not a tax and now when the Supreme Court arguements start the government now says it is a tax. Why was 150 million dollars to implement the law cut out of the bill and hidden in the stimulus bill from the lawmakers and public.


No shadow, those are different lies... my post addressed Bumblers video.


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That was an old video before the bill became law that Bumble posted and yes many of those things were changed but not all.
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That was an old video before the bill became law that Bumble posted and yes many of those things were changed but not all.


Changed or not.........the american people should not be 'forced' to pay for or be covered under this government socialized obamacare. Nor should people be 'forced' to pay and be covered under medicare. Just like the government should not be allowed to 'force' mandates on a private business (ins.companies).

Let us 'LIVE AND LET LIVE'!!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Changed or not.........the american people should not be 'forced' to pay for or be covered under this government socialized obamacare. Nor should people be 'forced' to pay and be covered under medicare. Just like the government should not be allowed to 'force' mandates on a private business (ins.companies).

Let us 'LIVE AND LET LIVE'!!


That's how it was in the past.  The majority of older Americans lived in poverty... Had no health care,
were malnourished... poorly housed,  and many died because of it.  
For you, those were the good ole days!  Poverty Disease Illness, and Starving... a Conservative Utopia.  

Fortunately America has progressed to a better place.  If you don't like it here, then leave.
  Somalia awaits!   You'll find everything you value there!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Box the depression ended a long time ago that isn't the way things are today before the Health-Care law was passed. I've been retired for 15 ears and I have a great Health-Care coverage, that is until the deceiver in chief wanted to cover all those who didn't think they needed an education or wanted to go to work everyday. I personally don't feel that I should have to give up my Health-Care coverage so that the drug users, alcoholics, and illegal aliens can have Health- Care. My Mom is 95 years old and she also has good health coverage so I really don't see all those poor seniors without coverage that you are talking about and all she lives on is her SS checks.
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You know what I love?  Box uses public opinion polling to justify forcing catholic affiliated organization offer birth control when the majority favor the unconstitutional mandate.  BUT...When public opinion polling shows majority of Americans oppose the unconstitutional Obamacare, those polls are ignored.  Majority rules, except majority opposition to King Obama decree.


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the medicaid houses will also serve as examples for medicare houses which will serve as examples of regional medicine coverage houses.......choice will be there, but the waiting line to have it fulfilled will kick our butts, I see everyday
the LACK OF CHOICE already, medicare and medicaid have ALWAYS been that way and will continue to 'pass it on' through and nother cliche' catchy bumper sticker and then call it healthcare....

health insurance

IS NOT

health care


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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psst....guess what,,,,when you're older your body does start to malnourish itself, it's a natural process....when you are talking about elderly which age group are you talking about ?

60-70
70-80
80-90
90-100

because IT DOES make a difference...no different than the hormonal changes of early life/adulthood.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Box the depression ended a long time ago that isn't the way things are today before the Health-Care law was passed. I've been retired for 15 ears and I have a great Health-Care coverage, that is until the deceiver in chief wanted to cover all those who didn't think they needed an education or wanted to go to work everyday. I personally don't feel that I should have to give up my Health-Care coverage so that the drug users, alcoholics, and illegal aliens can have Health- Care. My Mom is 95 years old and she also has good health coverage so I really don't see all those poor seniors without coverage that you are talking about and all she lives on is her SS checks.


Thank You Shadow!
Things are good for seniors now because of BIG GOVT Social Security and Medicare!
(the program you call socialist)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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You know what I love?  Box uses public opinion polling to justify forcing catholic affiliated organization offer birth control when the majority favor the unconstitutional mandate.  BUT...When public opinion polling shows majority of Americans oppose the unconstitutional Obamacare, those polls are ignored.  Majority rules, except majority opposition to King Obama decree.


I love how Box then says well move to Somalia, but wait what about America being a live and let live society like he said in the other post He shot himself in the foot now that many here don't believe in his version of live and let live.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I love how Box then says well move to Somalia, but wait what about America being a live and let live society like he said in the other post He shot himself in the foot now that many here don't believe in his version of live and let live.


There's room enough for all Americans of all political views.  For those who reject America and it's benefits,
they can find a country much more like their view elsewhere.  Somalia fits your demand for smaller govt.
They don't get much smaller


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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