Quoted from rampage

And what do you have against the businessman that s/he shouldn't be able to make that decision on their own?

So what you advocate is that American women are forced to pay a higher health insurance premium
that gives less coverage.

Quoted from Box A Rox

So what you advocate is that American women are forced to pay a higher health insurance premium
that gives less coverage.

No, I advocate that people pay the premiums that they want for the care that they want.  The people and the insurance companies can barter between themselves what will be covered and how much it will cost.  That's called the free market.

Quoted from Box A Rox

As posted above:

"A 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health estimates that NOT providing contraceptive
coverage in employee health plans winds up costing employers 15% to 17% more than providing
such coverage."

You pay MORE if you refuse the coverage!

do you know why? they legislate the desired behavior via $$.....it's STILL not choice....it's manipulation hidden behind another f'en onion skin.......

separation separation separation....

no coverage for contraception and no coverage for viagra

Quoted from rampage

And what do you have against the businessman that s/he shouldn't be able to make that decision on their own?

-- Contraception is used to treat or prevent many health conditions that affect women, including ovarian cysts,
endometriosis, pelvic inflammatory disease, uterine fibroid tumors, abnormal bleeding, pain associated with ovulation, and anemia.

Denying women these products is like saying an employer opts not to cover arthritis because of HIS religious
beliefs.  Or that an employer denies his employees coverage for cancer because of HIS religious views.
Ridiculous.

Quoted from rampage

No, I advocate that people pay the premiums that they want for the care that they want.  The people and the insurance companies can barter between themselves what will be covered and how much it will cost.  That's called the free market.

The free market is offering more coverage for less dollars... and it's being blocked because of the religious views
of the employer.

an employer purchases the insurance company contract......

option....purchase the entire coverage, allow folks to pick and choose like a buffet...like going to walmart shopping for a vaccum cleaner or k-y jelly hot stuff.....

denying women can be equaled by denying viagra......

less pokey poke = less pregnancy

Quoted from Box A Rox

-- Contraception is used to treat or prevent many health conditions that affect women, including ovarian cysts,
endometriosis, pelvic inflammatory disease, uterine fibroid tumors, abnormal bleeding, pain associated with ovulation, and anemia.

Denying women these products is like saying an employer opts not to cover arthritis because of HIS religious
beliefs.  Or that an employer denies his employees coverage for cancer because of HIS religious views.
Ridiculous.

Yeah, and the same contraception has been proven to also CAUSE health conditions, including strokes, so maybe it's safe, and maybe it's not.  I'm not saying it SHOULD be covered, and I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be covered.  I'm saying it's a DECISION, not a MANDATE that is needed.

Quoted from rampage

Yeah, and the same contraception has been proven to also CAUSE health conditions, including strokes, so maybe it's safe, and maybe it's not.  I'm not saying it SHOULD be covered, and I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be covered.  I'm saying it's a DECISION, not a MANDATE that is needed.

Sure... Some religions don't believe in blood transfusions... Why not ban that coverage for a hundred employees,
because the boss has this religious view.
Again, ridiculous.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Sure... Some religions don't believe in blood transfusions... Why not ban that coverage for a hundred employees,
because the boss has this religious view.
Again, ridiculous.

dont work there....move on....it's choice

it's choice if you want to smoke
it's choice if you want to drink
it's choice if you want to make a McDonald's diet
etc etc etc......

the system is legislating mandates to remove the 'choice' because the pendulum will come back and insidiously remove those other choices....ie: they will measure your cholesterol and tell
you that the lunch you pack for your kid isn't good enough and they will toss it in the garbage and feed you their crap.....

there are effects in the other direction

Quoted from Box A Rox

As posted above:

"A 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health estimates that NOT providing contraceptive
coverage in employee health plans winds up costing employers 15% to 17% more than providing
such coverage."

You pay MORE if you refuse the coverage!

All these years insurance companies have been around, and the actuaries that are paid to measure insurance risk, and it takes a community organizer that never even ran a hot dog stand to point out they have been losing money by not offering free contraceptive.  If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

because if they get pregnant by the boss it COSTS THEM $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

women need to learn that men are not their caretakers

Quoted from CICERO

All these years insurance companies have been around, and the actuaries that are paid to measure insurance risk, and it takes a community organizer that never even ran a hot dog stand to point out they have been losing money by not offering free contraceptive.  If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

Cicero has this magical quality... He's the only human known to actually have the condition called
Fact Repellent.

Facts just bounce right off of him... not one has ever penetrated his brain!  

Quoted from Box A Rox

Sure... Some religions don't believe in blood transfusions... Why not ban that coverage for a hundred employees,
because the boss has this religious view.
Again, ridiculous.

So, if you want specific coverage and your boss decided against it,

• start a union to get everything you want,
  
• talk to your boss about what it would take to get the coverage, or
  
• go get another friggin job with another company, but make sure you check your damn benefits before you agree to be their employee.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Cicero has this magical quality... He's the only human known to actually have the condition called
Fact Repellent.

Facts just bounce right off of him... not one has ever penetrated his brain!  

Yeah...A study conducted in 2000 claiming a double digit saving if insurance companies offered free contraception and gowing their profits was overlooked, and 10 year later, obama had to dust off the study and mandate these cost saving solutions.

Obama shovels the propaganda and box eats it up and regurgitates it.