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Nice cartoon...They forgot to put the word FORCE.  It should read "the government wants to FORCE our hospitals and universities to cover contraceptives..."  It's amazing how the exclusion of one word can be make a statement so misleading.


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Nice cartoon...They forgot to put the word FORCE.  It should read "the government wants to FORCE our hospitals and universities to cover contraceptives..."  It's amazing how the exclusion of one word can be make a statement so misleading.

Insurance companies are FORCED to cover birth control for women who request it, if they work for an exempt
Catholic employer.

No one is FORCED to use birth control, and, since birth control insurance is CHEAPER than non birth control
coverage, no one is forced to pay for birth control if it's against their religion.




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Insurance companies are FORCED to cover birth control for women who request it, if they work for an exempt
Catholic employer.


Who pays the insurance premium to cover the additional cost of contraceptives - is it magic?  Insurance companies are FORCED to raise their premiums on companies in order to pay for additional cost to their health insurance plan.  

Economics 101 - there is no such thing as a free lunch.


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Who pays the insurance premium to cover the additional cost of contraceptives - is it magic?  Insurance companies are FORCED to raise their premiums on companies in order to pay for additional cost to their health insurance plan.  

Economics 101 - there is no such thing as a free lunch.


Third time... OK, I know Cic takes a little more time to absorb new facts, but here goes:

If an employer (religious or not) wants to purchase insurance coverage for their employees they have choices:
Plan 1. Insurance coverage that excludes birth control coverage.
Plan 2. Insurance coverage that includes birth control coverage.
Since any group that uses birth control will have lower expenses (prenatal and post natal for mom & birth and
baby coverage for the newborn):
  PLAN 2 COSTS LESS THAN PLAN 1.

Insurance coverage for pregnancy and babies is expensive.  Birth control included in the plan costs much less.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Third time... OK, I know Cic takes a little more time to absorb new facts, but here goes:

If an employer (religious or not) wants to purchase insurance coverage for their employees they have choices:
Plan 1. Insurance coverage that excludes birth control coverage.
Plan 2. Insurance coverage that includes birth control coverage.
Since any group that uses birth control will have lower expenses (prenatal and post natal for mom & birth and
baby coverage for the newborn):
  PLAN 2 COSTS LESS THAN PLAN 1.

Insurance coverage for pregnancy and babies is expensive.  Birth control included in the plan costs much less.


So you are telling me that Obama had to MANDATE insurance coverage for contraception that in a free market is CHEAPER than an insurance plan that excludes coverage?  WOW!  Businesses(the employer) must REALLY hate women in order to willingly choose an insurance plan that is more expensive, just so they can keep contraception away from women.

Box, that's a good one...Only you could defy economic law with such illogical arguments.


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Insurance coverage for contraception is about as lame as insurance coverage for gym memberships!

Guess I should call my home insurance carrier and tell them my furnace needs a preventative yearly cleaning.
Guess my home insurance carrier should pay for a preventative alarm system for our home, along with our preventative smoke detectors.
Guess I should call my car insurance carrier and tell them my car needs a preventative yearly brake check and oil change.

It's all NUTS and completely out of control!! This is why health care is so expensive!! It's been the plan all along. And Clinton put it in motion!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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actually the healthcare system is out of control because folks forget about their own responsibility to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES....coupled with the AMA aka; American Male/medical association and it's machinery it has built up via
fear and half truths and societies acceptance that doctors are 'gods'....or that conception is a mystery...blood letting a good practice....having a bad day isn't normal so take a pill so I dont have to feel bad for you.....the list is
endless.....

WE AS A WHOLE HAVE ALLOWED IT........and then we elect the idiots to legislate what they think we need......running state has nothing to do with running my body......GET OFF MY BACK


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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you see it has nothing to do with religion as much as it has to do with a phallic rulership.....BOTH SIDES......the extracation of such member is very difficult.....procreation of a society is VERY driven, conscience of it or not.....

but the manner and disrespect of how/why is the issue, oh wait,,,,let me tell Mr. Heffner, a priest, a rabbi, an imam etc etc...........interesting for a sitcom? isn't it?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Too bad Dolan won't stand up for the majority of Catholics?  Birth Control IS NOT ABORTION.  
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Too bad Dolan won't stand up for the majority of Catholics?  Birth Control IS NOT ABORTION.  


The catholic church, as well as other denominational religions, needs to make up it's mind to whether they are going to follow their GOD'S law or the SECULAR laws.

Funny how decades ago the catholic church didn't allow eating meat on friday. Then they changed that law.
Then decades ago, the church was against ALL FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL.....now they are caving on that one too.
I'm not saying it is right or wrong............just sayin'


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The catholic church, as well as other denominational religions, needs to make up it's mind to whether they are going to follow their GOD'S law or the SECULAR laws.

Funny how decades ago the catholic church didn't allow eating meat on friday. Then they changed that law.
Then decades ago, the church was against ALL FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL.....now they are caving on that one too.
I'm not saying it is right or wrong............just sayin'


The Catholic Church has always allowed the "Rhythm Method" of birth control...
also known as "Baby Roulette"!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Do Catholics Have Too Many Babies?

When we were colonists and fought a war against the king and Parliament so that we could secede from the British Empire and be independent of it, we also fought for the value of personal freedom. That is the idea that in matters of personal choice, the government should play no role. The king only cared about the colonists' personal choices if he could control or tax them.

One of the taxes he imposed was to support the Church of England. The Church of England that the colonists' tax dollars supported was, of course, in England; it was not here. So, among the hateful taxes that impelled the colonists to revolt was this tax to support the king's church.

When the Constitution was written, religious freedom was a principal matter for discussion and debate among the Framers. They addressed this in the first clause of the First Amendment. Before the Constitution even protects the freedom of speech, it protects the natural right to worship or not to worship, free from the government. Here is what it says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

That is very direct and clear. It was intended to prevent any tax money from going to a church, and it was intended to keep the government from using its coercive powers to influence or to punish religious institutions. For 125 years, most governments in America left churches alone.

Then along came the progressive attitude that some ethnic groups are superior to others. This is a damnable and racist view that was foist upon the federal government by Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, in direct response to the influx of southern European immigrants at the beginning of the last century, most of whom were Catholic. Roosevelt and Wilson and their progressive followers thought these immigrants had too many children, children who would grow up to be voters and vote out their Nanny State central-planning values. So they began to encourage birth control and sterilizations and even abortions.

The Catholic Church resisted this by its teachings on birth control. The Church had made its teaching on contraception a core part of its mission for 400 years, and Pope Paul VI reaffirmed these teachings in a permanent way in 1968. That the Church embraces these teachings is well known, and equally as well known is the policy of the federal government to resist them.

But that resistance reached unconstitutional proportions a few weeks ago when Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, herself a Catholic, issued regulations that require all employers in America to provide health insurance that makes contraceptive materials and devices available to their employees. The "all employers" includes Catholic universities, Catholic hospitals, Catholic schools and even local Catholic churches. The failure to comply with this law will result in a fine to these institutions and the provision of contraceptive coverage to their employees by the government itself.


This is quite literally Congress making a law that interferes with the free exercise of religion. This is not about the morality of contraception. This is about the constitutionality of government coercion, coercion of religious institutions, coercion directly and profoundly prohibited by the Constitution itself. The motivation for the coercion – that Catholics have too many babies – is reprehensible, and those in government who embrace that and are willing to use the power of government to resist that should be voted out of office. But the coercion is the same as that faced by the folks who seceded from England because of the king's tax to pay for his church.

We have a king today, and he wants a tax to pay for his church. The king is the president, and his church is called Obamacare. We can't let this happen here. This is not just a Catholic issue. This is an issue about whether the Constitution means what it says. Does the Constitution let the government compel Jews to eat pork, or Protestants to genuflect, or Muslims to own dogs, or Catholics to pay for contraception? The answer is obvious.

Andrew P. Napolitano


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