Of course -- the Republican Party comes up short in its platform when it comes to Church teachings .. promoting wars, not supporting programs to help the truly poor and needy, promoting tax cuts for the wealthy, refusing to develop a fair and just immigration policy, pushing for capital punishment etc.
The answer may be to form a new party whose platform would more completely follow Catholic/Christian teachings.
Since there is none and never will be a 'catholic party'.........are you saying that you would relinquish your moral and christian beliefs and values based on secular issues such as taxing the rich???? The 'real cons' are the only ones pursuing and protecting christian beliefs. They aren't called 'crazy christians' for nothing.
It's those crazy liberals that are supporting abortions and dismantling traditional marriage........the very foundation andfiber of the human race. Hardly not comparable to 'taxing the rich'.....yes?
There should not be ONE liberal catholic out there today if they are 'really' true to their beliefs and are following their catholic religion. It is the liberal crazies that have formed a full assault against the Catholic/Christian religion.
Again........ya can't have it both ways!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Since there is none and never will be a 'catholic party'.........are you saying that you would relinquish your moral and christian beliefs and values based on secular issues such as taxing the rich???? The 'real cons' are the only ones pursuing and protecting christian beliefs. They aren't called 'crazy christians' for nothing.
It's those crazy liberals that are supporting abortions and dismantling traditional marriage........the very foundation andfiber of the human race. Hardly not comparable to 'taxing the rich'.....yes?
There should not be ONE liberal catholic out there today if they are 'really' true to their beliefs and are following their catholic religion. It is the liberal crazies that have formed a full assault against the Catholic/Christian religion.
Again........ya can't have it both ways!
I respectfully disagree with you. You are assuming that the Democratic Party is 100% liberal and therefore pure evil -- and the Republican Party is 100% conservative therefore it is pure good. Neither is true. Furthermore, I disagree with your statement that there should not be one liberal Catholic out there. Liberalism is a broad term ... technically speaking most "American Conservatives" (those advocating small government, low taxes, little government regulation, etc) today would have been considered Liberals in the 19th century.
As for my your assertion that I am relinquishing my moral beliefs -- that is completely untrue. I can say quite confidently that I have always taken into consideration all of the candidates positions on a BROAD RANGE of moral issues including - but not limited to - abortion. Since it is a secret ballot, I will not tell you who I have voted for in the past --- but don't just assume that I always vote a straight party line.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
I respectfully disagree with you. You are assuming that the Democratic Party is 100% liberal and therefore pure evil -- and the Republican Party is 100% conservative therefore it is pure good. Neither is true. Furthermore, I disagree with your statement that there should not be one liberal Catholic out there. Liberalism is a broad term ... technically speaking most "American Conservatives" (those advocating small government, low taxes, little government regulation, etc) today would have been considered Liberals in the 19th century.
As for my your assertion that I am relinquishing my moral beliefs -- that is completely untrue. I can say quite confidently that I have always taken into consideration all of the candidates positions on a BROAD RANGE of moral issues including - but not limited to - abortion. Since it is a secret ballot, I will not tell you who I have voted for in the past --- but don't just assume that I always vote a straight party line.
Never said that the rep party is 100% pure. Just bringing out the fact that it is those 'crazy right wing nut jobs' that are defending religion aka catholicism, are pro-life and pro-traditional marriage. Again the foundation and fiber of the human race and the catholic teachings. It is the 'crazy right wing nut jobs' that are defending the catholic church against the 'crazy left wing nut jobs' that are forcing them to support a secular policy. Where is the outrage from the 'crazy catholic lefts'? Would it be a 'sin' to stand with the 'crazy right' when defending their core religious beliefs?
It would be hypocritical to believe differently. You can't have it both ways.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
It appears that the Catholic Church has been fighting back for quite some time... Fighting allegations of sexual abuse by priests...
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At least 10 teenage boys or young men under the age of 21 were surgically castrated "to get rid of homosexuality" while in the care of the Dutch Roman Catholic Church in the 1950s.
The NRC Handelsblad newspaper identified Henk Heithuis who was castrated in 1956, while a minor, after reporting priests to the police for abusing him in a Catholic boarding home.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Thank goodness science and government is moral and would never do such barbaric things to their own citizens.
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State's little-known history of shameful science California's role in Nazis' goal of 'purification'
"California was the second state to pass eugenics laws in 1909," two years after Indiana made it legal to sterilize the "feeble-minded," according to University of Virginia bioethicist Paul Lombardo.
Lombardo is an expert on eugenics, a school of thought popular around the turn of the 20th century. Eugenicists thought they could improve the human species through selective breeding, which meant preventing habitual criminals, inmates of insane asylums and sexual deviants from having kids.
As he explained it, it was around the turn of the last century when scientific thinkers, notably Sir Francis Galton, cousin of evolutionist Charles Darwin, began arguing that allowing the unfit to have children might weaken the human herd and should be controlled by law.
As Lombardo explained, by using the term "asexualization" instead of "sterilization," California's law went beyond ordering vasectomies in men or tubal ligations in women. California made it legal to castrate a man or remove the ovaries from a woman, permanently preventing reproduction.
California was such a prominent practitioner of forced sterilization that it was held up as a model by the Eugenics Record Office, the Long Island think tank that was the movement's unofficial headquarters. The Eugenics Record Office, in turn, had links to the Nazi party during the 1930s.
"There's lots of connections between the Germans interested in sterilization and the Americans," Lombardo said, adding that after Hitler took power in 1933, "the very first law passed by the Reichstag was the law for the sterilization of the hereditarily diseased."
The chart shows how the woman was born to a mother deemed by state officials to be "neurotic (and) feeble-minded" and a father termed a "drunkard (and) gambler (with) low mentality." The woman's ovaries were removed, a permissible form of asexualization under California law.
While the Nazis practiced eugenics to "purify" their race, Americans had more pragmatic reasons for trying to prevent certain people from having children.
"This was about saving money. It was the economic motive," Lombardo said, encapsulating the view of American eugenicists in these words: "We don't want you generating any more kids we'd have to pay for, and we don't think you could take care of the kid if you had it."
Never said that the rep party is 100% pure. Just bringing out the fact that it is those 'crazy right wing nut jobs' that are defending religion aka catholicism, are pro-life and pro-traditional marriage. Again the foundation and fiber of the human race and the catholic teachings. It is the 'crazy right wing nut jobs' that are defending the catholic church against the 'crazy left wing nut jobs' that are forcing them to support a secular policy. Where is the outrage from the 'crazy catholic lefts'? Would it be a 'sin' to stand with the 'crazy right' when defending their core religious beliefs?
It would be hypocritical to believe differently. You can't have it both ways.
I guess you'll have to ask someone else -- someone who is part of the "crazy catholic left".
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Box, if you were around in the early 1900's, it looks like if you had a female child, she would have been sterilized because her near blood-kin was feebleminded and insane in it.
I - and millions of others - still believe that the Roman Catholic Church is THE Church instituted by Christ and that it contains the Way, the Truth and Light .. and that the Holy Spirit will help and guide us through these difficulties and obstacles just as the Holy Spirit has guided the Church through difficulties and obstacles for the past 2,000 years.
Then there are the millions and millions of "others" who grew up Roman Catholic and now are so disilussioned with the scandles and the Child touching. It's hard to say that the church is "the way the truth, and the light" when they have spent history stealing from the poor, pursuading the stuipd, and taking advantage of the weak and the young. Faith teaches me their is one god and the Roman Catholic Church is the right way. History teaches me The Roman Catholic Church is an institution that was designed to control the masses, make money, and explain what could not be explained before science came along.
I mean, the Good Catholic thing to do, is to turn the other cheak, not to fight back and ridicule (i'm not talking about you DV) those who disagree, which is what the "right" does. And again, why so many young americans who would be republicans if they could just get in ONE with some comman sense and real to life morals (And not religious zelotry(i used a big word, i'm not sure if it's right here)) to speak for the party.
I don't spell check! Sorry... If you include "No offense" in a statement, chances are, your statement is offensive.
Knocking the catholic church is just a notch in the belt of the secular socialist liberal globalist. They know that they can not push their socialist agenda through with religious moral thinking folks. They put the pressure on in the 60's/70's with the pot smoking crazy liberal hippies......and it has brought us to where we are today!!
Just like they changed the face of cigarettes, guns, salt, fat etc....they are changing the face of anything that resembles freedom and liberty and choice.
WAKE UP FOLKS!!! You are all being hoodwinked!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I guess you'll have to ask someone else -- someone who is part of the "crazy catholic left".
If someone is not standing with the crazy righties regarding the protection of religions and it's core beliefs....then they are a catholic hypocrite. No two ways about it. Ya can't be pro-life and be a crazy left winger. Ya can't be pro-Catholic and be a crazy left winger.
If you are pro-life and pro-catholic....you are a crazy right winger.....or should be by all accounts!
Can't have it both ways!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
For Schenectady Democrats and Conservatives, power trumps principle. They ALWAYS have it both ways. The population is too ignorant to follow the shell game and understand it is rigged.
Then there are the millions and millions of "others" who grew up Roman Catholic and now are so disilussioned with the scandles and the Child touching. It's hard to say that the church is "the way the truth, and the light" when they have spent history stealing from the poor, pursuading the stuipd, and taking advantage of the weak and the young. Faith teaches me their is one god and the Roman Catholic Church is the right way. History teaches me The Roman Catholic Church is an institution that was designed to control the masses, make money, and explain what could not be explained before science came along.
I mean, the Good Catholic thing to do, is to turn the other cheak, not to fight back and ridicule (i'm not talking about you DV) those who disagree, which is what the "right" does. And again, why so many young americans who would be republicans if they could just get in ONE with some comman sense and real to life morals (And not religious zelotry(i used a big word, i'm not sure if it's right here)) to speak for the party.
It appears that belittling a religious belief and belittling everyday folks who post on this board or have similar beliefs/ideas, is a sure way to elevate secularism....yes?
And for the record.......I'm not a catholic! But when the government tries to destroy a major religion in the name of 'secularism'........I take issue with that! You say that the catholics were created to control the masses? WTH do you think your government is trying to do????? At least you can walk away from a a religion!! Take the blinders off...k?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Vaedur voluntarily left the Catholic flock(in faith) that he/she voluntarily joined, I assume because he/she opposes the moral teachings. Only to join and support the technocracy that forces people to change their moral behaviors through violent force and power of government. You want to talk about stealing from the poor, persuading the stuipd, and taking advantage of the weak and the young, go down to the DSS building. Nothing destroys a persons soul worse than that place, fostering dependency on the faceless bureaucrat.
Vaedur wants Republicans to wrestle away the influence that the church has over people and deliver them to government. Government demands EVERYBODY be depend on big brother government and not to church elders. The technocrats trained in the sciences will be your moral guide.
Never have I heard so much illogical thinking as with these contraceptive arguments. Of course, there are many who want you to think this only involves birth control, but in reality this is government control of religion and your freedom. They completely avoid mentioning the difference between the U.S. government and any other organization in our society. Every other organization, you can opt into or opt out of, but you cannot opt out of federal laws. Nobody can force you to belong to a church or any other organization. However, when it is the government, your freedom is restricted. Even if you do belong to a church that does not approve of birth control, you are still free to ignore their rules and do what you think you should. This is not feasible when you are dealing with federal law. We would not force you to work for a Catholic organization. We should not force them to buy you birth control, because you are free to check what insurance they provide before you accept a job. We will certainly not stop you from buying your own. This is called freedom, and thank God we still have some.
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At least you can walk away from a a religion!! Take the blinders off...k?
