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As posted above:

"A 2000 study by the National Business Group on Health estimates that NOT providing contraceptive
coverage in employee health plans winds up costing employers 15% to 17% more than providing
such coverage."


You pay MORE if you refuse the coverage!


I didn't ask for a 'study' Boxy...I asked a very simple question

What gives the POTUS the right to mandate that an insurance company HAS to give something away for 'free'?

Now try to answer the question...I'll even start it off for you so you don't get confused and post another study or whatever else Syphilis Suzy wants you to say.

"The POTUS has the power to mandate a private company to give away something for free because...(insert answer here)"






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They will skip that question because they can't answer it. If the government can force you to buy health-care, mandate that insurance companies provide free contraception, take over banks, take over car companies, force your kids to eat what the government tells them to, then all our freedoms can be taken away one at a time.
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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What gives the POTUS the right to mandate that an insurance company HAS to give something away for 'free'?

"The POTUS has the power to mandate a private company to give away something for free because...(insert answer here)"


As has been true for probably a hundred years... THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY IS REGULATED BY THE GOVT!
The reason that THE US CONGRESS PASSED THIS LEGISLATION:

The primary purposes of insurance regulation is
(1) to maintain the insurers' financial solvency and soundness so they can carry out their long term obligations
to policyholders and pay claims.
(2) to guarantee the fair treatment of current and prospective policyholders and beneficiaries by both
insurers and the people who sell their policies.

If you don't like the answer Buckey, then take it up with your Congressman since Congress passed this legislation.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Miles of Right Wing Propaganda... Inches of FACTS.
Really Cicero??? Freedom of Religion???

(Sigh) another Drama Day for Cic!  

This is a F A C T.  I know it's difficult for CIC to absorb F A C T S but if I post them often enough, he may actually
absorb one.

FACT:
Religiously affiliated employers - largely Catholic hospitals, schools and universities - would not have to pay for
contraceptive coverage
, but employees who want the coverage could request it, and the insurance company
would provide it without raising the cost of their premiums. The insurance industry has accepted the solution
because it's less expensive to pay for family planning than for pregnancies.




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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FACT:
Religiously affiliated employers - largely Catholic hospitals, schools and universities - would not have to pay for contraceptive coverage, but employees who want the coverage could request it, and the insurance company would provide it without raising the cost of their premiums. The insurance industry has accepted the solution because it's less expensive to pay for family planning than for pregnancies.


Explain to me again why the government can pick and choose who has to pay for the product that they are forced to offer?  

Rule of Law - GONE!  Rule by decree has now been imposed.  Everybody is treated DIFFERENTLY under our new system.  Granting favor under the law in order to maintain 51% support.  Mob rules!   The law now DOES discriminate based on religion.  If you are NOT of the State chosen religion - YOU MUST PAY FOR CONTRACEPTION.  Does the Methodist Hospitals have to pay for the contraception?  All depends if Obama needs the Methodist to win the election.

So much for liberal equality....Some are more equal than others.



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Explain to me again why the government can pick and choose who has to pay for the product that they are forced to offer?  
Rule of Law - GONE!  Rule by decree has now been imposed.  Everybody is treated DIFFERENTLY under our new system.  Granting favor under the law in order to maintain 51% support.  Mob rules!   The law now DOES discriminate based on religion.  If you are NOT of the State chosen religion - YOU MUST PAY FOR CONTRACEPTION.  Does the Methodist Hospitals have to pay for the contraception?  All depends if Obama needs the Methodist to win the election.
So much for liberal equality....Some are more equal than others.


Cic... half of communication is to listen... or in the case of a message board, listening is actually reading.

Your above rant proves that you are doing fine on the talking (posting) part of communication, but you seem
to lack the listening (reading) part.

As I posted to Buck above:
THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY IS REGULATED BY THE GOVT!
The reason that THE US CONGRESS PASSED THIS LEGISLATION:

The primary purposes of insurance regulation is
(1) to maintain the insurers' financial solvency and soundness so they can carry out their long term obligations
to policyholders and pay claims.
(2) to guarantee the fair treatment of current and prospective policyholders and beneficiaries by both
insurers and the people who sell their policies.

If you don't like the answer Cicero, then take it up with your Congressman since Congress passed this legislation.

One further point... the part of your post that says:
YOU MUST PAY FOR CONTRACEPTION.
is false.  No employer is forced to pay for contraception.  There is a religious option that permits Religious based
employers to opt out of contraceptive coverage.  (as posted above but due to your reading comprehension
problem, you probably missed it)
FACT:
Religiously affiliated employers - largely Catholic hospitals, schools and universities - would not have to pay for
contraceptive coverage, but employees who want the coverage could request it, and the insurance company
would provide it without raising the cost of their premiums. The insurance industry has accepted the solution
because it's less expensive to pay for family planning than for pregnancies.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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One further point... the part of your post that says:
YOU MUST PAY FOR CONTRACEPTION.
is false.  No employer is forced to pay for contraception.  There is a religious option that permits Religious based employers to opt out of contraceptive coverage.[img][/img]  (as posted above but due to your reading comprehension problem, you probably missed it)

FACT:
Religiously affiliated employers - largely Catholic hospitals, schools and universities - would not have to pay for contraceptive coverage, but employees who want the coverage could request it, and the insurance company would provide it without raising the cost of their premiums. The insurance industry has accepted the solution because it's less expensive to pay for family planning than for pregnancies.


One more time Box...This option is offered ONLY TO RELIGIOUSLY AFFILIATED EMPLOYERS - LARGELY CATHOLIC.   DO ALL RELIGIOUS BASED OR NON-RELIGIOUS BASED FOR THAT MATTER GIVEN THE SAME LEGAL OPTION?  Can all employers opt out of the plan and force the insurance company to pay and not pass the cost onto they employer?  Just because the insurance industry "accepted" to discriminate who they will and will not pay for the additional cost doesn’t make it any less discriminatory.

And please stop with the argument that the insurance industry "accepted" the solution because it was "less expensive".  As if after 50 years, the insurance industry is just now realizing through the infinite wisdom of Barack Obama and some study conducted in 2000 that they can save money by offering free birth control.  That is ridiculous!  The only way it's less expensive for the insurance industry is if they are subsidized by the taxpayer.

Economic 101 - no such thing as a free lunch.


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Americans Overwhelmingly Favor Contraception Coverage Mandate
— Including Catholics

CBS/NT Times poll:
Q.  “Do you support or oppose a recent federal requirement that private health insurance plans cover
the full cost of birth control for their female patients?”
A. Support 66%, Oppose 26%.


Q.  “And what about for religiously affiliated employers, such as a hospital or university — do you support
or oppose a recent federal requirement that their health insurance plans cover the full cost of birth control
for their female employees?”

A. Support 61%, Oppose 31%
A. (Catholics) 61%-32%
A. (Women) 66%-28%
A. (Men) 55%-38%





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Great pie chart box showing the legitimacy of mob rule...Can you show me the post civil war pie chart showing overwhelming support in favor of Jim Crow laws?  What's next, the Catholic voter count as 3/5 of a person?  Hey, if the mob supports it!!


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Great pie chart box showing the legitimacy of mob rule...Can you show me the post civil war pie chart showing overwhelming support in favor of Jim Crow laws?  What's next, the Catholic voter count as 3/5 of a person?  Hey, if the mob supports it!!


Your analogy of Jim Crow laws might have some validity if there were overwhelming support among Blacks.

Catholic Clergy is fighting this law... NOT CATHOLICS!




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Catholic Clergy is fighting this law... NOT CATHOLICS!


Being "Catholic" is voluntary.  If a majority of Catholics don't like church doctrine, denounce the church, stop tithing and choose another denomination.  Don't use the federal government to change the churches doctrine.  This is a Catholic reformation by government gun point.


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