Apparently you hold some kind of grudge against Catholicism -- that is your problem.
The FACT is that SOME Catholics disagree with and/or disobey Church teachings -- the same can be said for members of EVERY other faith tradition. Name one faith tradition that has 100% agreement and 100% compliance with official teachings ?????????????????????
I'm not talking about a few Catholics who stray from the church dogma... I'm talking about the vast majority who ignore the Church and continue to call themselves Catholics. Examples: ~ More Protestant women obtained abortions than Catholics: 43% of women Protestant, while 27% Catholic. ~ But Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women.(Possibly due to the Church's view on birth control) ~ , Birth control is the most common drug prescribed to women, and a full 98 percent of American women — including 98 percent of Catholic women — use birth control at some point in their lives.
I have no grudge against my listed Catholic religion and went to Catholic schools... I'm just pointing out the difference between what is taught in the Church and what is obeyed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
On the general subject of abortion... (Since from the very beginning the Komen/PP issue was about abortion... not about breast cancer):
"Some Quick Thoughts on "Until Abortion Ends"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I agree on this point with the other poster who I often do NOT agree with -- Abortion is murder..... And Mr. Box, I have a question --- Seeing as it is a FACT that most people speed - - Does this mean we eliminate speed limits?
"We have to talk about liberating minds as well as liberating society." ---Angela Davis
"When you put a tiny and despised minority up for a popular vote, the minority usually loses." ---Andrew Sullivan
I'm not talking about a few Catholics who stray from the church dogma... I'm talking about the vast majority who ignore the Church and continue to call themselves Catholics. Examples: ~ More Protestant women obtained abortions than Catholics: 43% of women Protestant, while 27% Catholic. ~ But Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women.(Possibly due to the Church's view on birth control) ~ , Birth control is the most common drug prescribed to women, and a full 98 percent of American women — including 98 percent of Catholic women — use birth control at some point in their lives.
I have no grudge against my listed Catholic religion and went to Catholic schools... I'm just pointing out the difference between what is taught in the Church and what is obeyed.
Point taken -- but my view is that Abortion is immoral .. just as Slavery is immoral and Genocide is immoral and Racism is immoral -----------even if 99% of the population were to disagree and say that those things are moral -------------- I believe that there is such a thing as ABSOLUTE TRUTH and I don't believe that morality should be decided by a public opinion poll.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
I agree on this point with the other poster who I often do NOT agree with -- Abortion is murder..... And Mr. Box, I have a question --- Seeing as it is a FACT that most people speed - - Does this mean we eliminate speed limits?
Speeding endangers everyone, not just the speeder. The Catholic church... who's entire ruling class from the pope down to the parish nuns, have no need of sex or abortion... so they lose nothing personally when they decide that abortion is immoral.
For those who think that abortion is immoral, they should refrain from having one. For those who think you abort a mass of cells and connective tissue, that one day might be a human being, the issue issue isn't about life and death but the freedom to live your life with out unwanted children.
A side note: Do Right Wingers REALLY want a whole slew of kids being raised by parents who don't want them and wish that they had never been born?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Speeding endangers everyone, not just the speeder. The Catholic church... who's entire ruling class from the pope down to the parish nuns, have no need of sex or abortion... so they lose nothing personally when they decide that abortion is immoral.
For those who think that abortion is immoral, they should refrain from having one. For those who think you abort a mass of cells and connective tissue, that one day might be a human being, the issue issue isn't about life and death but the freedom to live your life with out unwanted children.
A side note: Do Right Wingers REALLY want a whole slew of kids being raised by parents who don't want them and wish that they had never been born?
I dont think it really matters what 'right wingers' think of kids being raised by parents who dont want them(adoptive or otherwise)....no matter what abortion DOESN'T CURE A CASE OF THE 'DONT WANTS'......situations happen,,,sh!t happens....to remotely think that abortion prevents the 'unwanted' is living in a box......
however, wanting NOT to have the feelings of the responsibility is something that should be dealt with separately....and even then there is no cure.....
just like the 'father' who just blew up his kids....maybe if there was an abortion he would have missed out on such an opportunity......glad he had his chance to 'change the world'..... octo-mom sure had her chance to change the world to....as did Kate plus 8 and the baby daddy......
no,,,PP IS NOT A GOD,,,,BIRTHCONTROL IS NOT A GOD....A PHALIC SYMBOL IS NOT A GOD.......CHURCH IS STILL STUCK ON EARTH AND STUCK IN DOCTRINE....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Abortion is illegal in all circumstances or permitted only to save a woman's life in these countries. Perhaps the Right Wing Anti Choice crowd would be more comfotable there. Pick one:
Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Oman, Sudan Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen. Asia and Pacific: Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Sri Lanka. Europe: Ireland, Malta. South America: Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Venezuela,
Many of the Right Wing, anti choice zealots would feel right at home in these countries. HUH! Not a whole lot of Democracy or Freedom in these anti choice countries... It figures.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The country has NOTHING to do about abortion being legal......but it can be used as a 'balm to the conscience' of society if spun in the 'correct' light, albeit from the east or west/left or right......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Abortion is illegal in all circumstances or permitted only to save a woman's life in these countries. Perhaps the Right Wing Anti Choice crowd would be more comfotable there. Pick one:
Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Oman, Sudan Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen. Asia and Pacific: Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Sri Lanka. Europe: Ireland, Malta. South America: Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Venezuela,
Many of the Right Wing, anti choice zealots would feel right at home in these countries. HUH! Not a whole lot of Democracy or Freedom in these anti choice countries... It figures.
Our Declaration of Independence clearly states that ALL are created equal and endowed with the God-given rights of LIFE -- LIBERTY -- and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. In the past - some of twisted that by saying well slaves or women or some other group were not 100% human and therefore not entitled to those same rights. The Pro-Abortion crowd still uses that argument (the unborn child is not human) to defend their position -- which puts them squarely in the same camp as the narrow-minded bigots of old who insisted on denying basic fundamental freedoms and rights to certain classes of people.
Abortion is immoral. Protecting the Civil Rights of all unborn babies remains the last great Civil Rights/Human rights battle to be fought in the United States.
Your raising the red-herring issue by listing nations that don't even promise basic civil right/human rights to its citizens is a hollow argument.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Our Declaration of Independence clearly states that ALL are created equal and endowed with the God-given rights of LIFE -- LIBERTY -- and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. In the past - some of twisted that by saying well slaves or women or some other group were not 100% human and therefore not entitled to those same rights. The Pro-Abortion crowd still uses that argument (the unborn child is not human) to defend their position -- which puts them squarely in the same camp as the narrow-minded bigots of old who insisted on denying basic fundamental freedoms and rights to certain classes of people.
Abortion is immoral. Protecting the Civil Rights of all unborn babies remains the last great Civil Rights/Human rights battle to be fought in the United States.
Your raising the red-herring issue by listing nations that don't even promise basic civil right/human rights to its citizens is a hollow argument.
Of course my " listing nations that don't even promise basic civil right/human rights" is appropriate to the basic agenda of anti choice bigots.
There is a multitude of scientists waiting for the chance to cure Parkinson disease Huntington's disease etc... but those who suffer from these afflictions will have to wait another generation for the Right Wing to actually allow embryonic stem cells that are now flushed down the drain, to be used to cure these horrible diseases.
These embryonic cells are donated and fertilized for the purpose of giving babies to those with reproductive problems. The excess are 'flushed', instead of used to cure... the only real chance of finding a cure is thrown out with the trash, at the demand of Right Wing zealots.
Once again, the world has to suffer due to the religious whims of a few powerful fanatics.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Of course my " listing nations that don't even promise basic civil right/human rights" is appropriate to the basic agenda of anti choice bigots.
There is a multitude of scientists waiting for the chance to cure Parkinson disease Huntington's disease etc... but those who suffer from these afflictions will have to wait another generation for the Right Wing to actually allow embryonic stem cells that are now flushed down the drain, to be used to cure these horrible diseases.
These embryonic cells are donated and fertilized for the purpose of giving babies to those with reproductive problems. The excess are 'flushed', instead of used to cure... the only real chance of finding a cure is thrown out with the trash, at the demand of Right Wing zealots.
Once again, the world has to suffer due to the religious whims of a few powerful fanatics.
Embryonic stem cells are not the only sources for stem cells .. There has been much progress made in using stem cells from other sources.
As far as medical experimentation on embryonic stem cells .. I would argue that it is still a moral issue. Which is of a greater moral value --- protecting the VERY REAL life of an unborn human or the potential healing of another human being ???? I would have to choose the unborn human life. Someone needs to stand up for the voiceless and defenseless.
It is very easy to see that if society accepts the killing of the unborn for medical research purposes that the next step will be killing other voiceless and defenseless humans -- maybe the mentally and physically handicapped will be next ... then persons of minority ethnic, racial or economic status.
A clear line must be drawn which protects ALL human life.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
Embryonic stem cells are not the only sources for stem cells .. There has been much progress made in using stem cells from other sources. As far as medical experimentation on embryonic stem cells .. I would argue that it is still a moral issue. Which is of a greater moral value --- protecting the VERY REAL life of an unborn human or the potential healing of another human being ???? I would have to choose the unborn human life. Someone needs to stand up for the voiceless and defenseless. It is very easy to see that if society accepts the killing of the unborn for medical research purposes that the next step will be killing other voiceless and defenseless humans -- maybe the mentally and physically handicapped will be next ... then persons of minority ethnic, racial or economic status. A clear line must be drawn which protects ALL human life.
"Someone needs to stand up for the voiceless and defenseless." The Voiceless and Defenseless" in this case are a clump of cells in a petri dish, that were used to impregnate a woman artificially. They will NEVER be a human being... they will never live inside a woman... they will be flushed down the drain... and yet you want them protected. The painful needless death of thousands of REAL HUMAN BEINGS are the result.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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