And what does FDR's birthday have to do with this thread?   That's nothing to do with Rotterdam politics.   Should have been posted under the Chit Chat.

But DV is hanging his head in shame with all the bad news resulting from the theft from taxpayers in Schenectady.  

One of my favorite traditions is driving down to FDR's home -- Springwood -- in Hyde Park, NY for the formal ceremonies on the anniversary of his birth (January 30) and the anniversary of his death (April 12).   The day includes a tour of his home and the adjacent FDR Library-Museum, attending the graveside ceremonies and then having dinner at FDR's favorite restaurant - the Beekman Arms in nearby Rhinebeck.  This restaurant was a favorite of the whole Roosevelt family and it is where he ate dinner on Election Day almost every year during his long political career.   This restaurant gained world-wide attention recently when it was the scene of one of the wedding Chelsea Clinton-Marc Mezvinsky weekend meals.

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Yes, managed poverty...Poverty none the less...Dignity?  Taking tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars away from a person during their lifetime while they are productive, then returning it to them at the rate of poverty isn't dignity it's a scam.  

I would like to know exactly how many seniors are receiving $1000K + in SS. All of the seniors that I know are $800 or below. $800 or $1000 is hardly a return on your 40+ years of 'forced' investing.

FDR LIED TO THE AMERICANS!!! The guy was a loose cannon. Illiterate immigrants emerging from a depression was a dream come true for the liberal socialist statist/facist dems to push through their globalist agenda!

DVR, maybe we can hook up and drive down together so I can spit on his grave.  Going to FDR's grave site is like going to Lenin's Tomb.

I confess my SS payment per month is $1500 and I started drawing when I was  62 so I could have got a lot more.

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I would like to know exactly how many seniors are receiving $1000K + in SS. All of the seniors that I know are $800 or below. $800 or $1000 is hardly a return on your 40+ years of 'forced' investing.

See Shadow below at post #34 below:
I confess my SS payment per month is $1500 and I started drawing when I was  62 so I could have got a lot more.

Is Shadow one of those "Cradle To Grave, Live off the Govt" type people that the Right Wingers are always complaining
about?
Or is he a typical American reaping the rewards of a lifetime of hard work???

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I confess my SS payment per month is $1500 and I started drawing when I was  62 so I could have got a lot more.

So that's $18K a year or $346 a week...How much did you pay into it?  How many years earlier could you have paid your house off(if you had to mortgage) if you put your SS tax toward it?  How much interest could you haves saved on your mortgage?  If you have a spouse and he/she dies before you, your children cannot collect.  

If the government had let me invest the same amount of money in the stock market back in the early 70's when there was a movement to do so I cpould have retired with $1,000,000 to live on instead of $346 a week. I paid into the SS system for 38 years at maximum rate so that I draw maximum benefit.

There was nothing to stop Americans from saving for their retirement before Social Security, but many didn't.  Those that
did save were sometimes wiped out by a financial disaster such as disabling medical issues or the illness of a spouse.

There's no reason why people couldn't have worked hard and saved money while they were working and lived comfortably during their retirement. It's choices we make in life and those who choose poorly will suffer. My parents lived through the depression and the one thing that they drilled into my head was put money away for a rainy day. The rainy day is here and people were not prepared.

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There's no reason why people couldn't have worked hard and saved money while they were working and lived comfortably during their retirement. It's choices we make in life and those who choose poorly will suffer. My parents lived through the depression and the one thing that they drilled into my head was put money away for a rainy day. The rainy day is here and people were not prepared.

For many Americans a lifetime of saving for retirement can be wiped out with one hearth attack.  Uninsured, or under
insured with a medical emergency often use up their entire lifetime of savings in a year.  
These people worked hard all their life and saved for their retirement.  They weren't lazy or dumb... they were just
unlucky enough to have a stroke, heart attack or cancer, had to quit work and ran out of money.

I don't know about you Box but I've had heath insurance from the time I went to work because of the exact reason you state. As I said it's choices we make, if you choose to buy a new car instead of health insurance and have a stroke you chose poorly. Even catastrophic health insurance would have protected a person from a serious illness and that's cheaper insurance. I have Medicare and Blue Cross health insurance covering my family right now. Box you can't keep painting a picture that everyone is too stupid to take care of themselves.

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I don't know about you Box but I've had heath insurance from the time I went to work because of the exact reason you state. As I said it's choices we make, if you choose to buy a new car instead of health insurance and have a stroke you chose poorly. Even catastrophic health insurance would have protected a person from a serious illness and that's cheaper insurance. I have Medicare and Blue Cross health insurance covering my family right now. Box you can't keep painting a picture that everyone is too stupid to take care of themselves.

I didn't say too stupid... is said Unlucky!
Where I worked, in the first 10 years if I had a disabling heart attack, stroke or cancer, I would have 1 year of coverage,
with (back then) $250,000 coverage cap.  I worked hard every day, had 401k's, CD's and a pension.  But with a little
bad luck all that would have been gone by the time I was 30.
  

It isn't unlucky to not have health insurance when you have the money for but choose to spend it on other things, it's stupid. It's unfortunate that the company you worked for had a lousy health care plan. From the time I went to work for a major company I had nothing but the best health insurance that money could buy and it continues today which is why I believe the government should stay out of health care, a contract item, that I paid for by giving up raises to get.

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It isn't unlucky to not have health insurance when you have the money for but choose to spend it on other things, it's stupid. It's unfortunate that the company you worked for had a lousy health care plan. From the time I went to work for a major company I had nothing but the best health insurance that money could buy and it continues today which is why I believe the government should stay out of health care, a contract item, that I paid for by giving up raises to get.

SEE SHADOW... YOU FINALLY GET IT!!!

Your words:
It's unfortunate that the company you worked for had a lousy health care plan

So now you get it!  Millions of Americans have no health insurance at all.  For some their total health care bill would
exceed their income.  GET IT?  They aren't irresponsible or stupid... they make a choice between feeding their kids
and insuring their kids...
With a few bad breaks You or I could be one of those people!