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Today would have been the 130th Birthday of America's greatest president - Franklin Delano Roosevelt !!!
His words of wisdom and inspirational example of how he lived his life is as meaningful today as they were during his lifetime.

"The true conservative seeks to protect the system of private property and free enterprise by correcting such injustices and inequalities as arise from it. The most serious threat to our institutions comes from those who refuse to face the need for change. Liberalism becomes the protection for the far-sighted conservative.
Never has a Nation made greater strides in the safeguarding of democracy than we have made during the past three years. Wise and prudent men — intelligent conservatives — have long known that in a changing world worthy institutions can be conserved only by adjusting them to the changing time. In the words of the great essayist, "The voice of great events is proclaiming to us. Reform if you would preserve." I am that kind of conservative because I am that kind of liberal."

Happy Birthday to the Happy Warrior !!!


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Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Economic Voice of Reason in response to FDR Socialist Propaganda.

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F.A. Hayek



     That in a competitive society most things can be had at a price - though it is often a cruelly high price we have to pay - is a fact the importance of which can hardly be overrated.  The alternative is not, however, complete freedom of choice, but orders and prohibitions which must be obeyed and, in the last resort, the favor of the mighty.
     It is significant of the confusion prevailing of all these subjects that it should have become a cause for reproach that in a competitive society almost everything can be had for a price.  If the people who protest against having the higher values of life brought into the "cash nexus" really mean that we should not be allowed to sacrifice our lesser needs in order to preserve the higher values,and that the choice should be made for us, this demand must be regarded as rather peculiar and scarcely testifies to great respect for the dignity of the individual.  That life and health, beauty and virtue, honor and peace of mind, can often be preserved only at considerable material cost, and that somebody must make the choice, is as undeniable as that we all are sometimes not prepared to make the material sacrifices necessary to protect those higher values against all injury.....
....That people should wish to be relieved of the bitter choice which facts often impose upon them is not surprising.  But few want to be relieved through having the choice made for them by others.  People just wish that the choice should not be necessary at all.  And they are only too ready to believe that the choice is not really necessary, that it is imposed upon them merely by the particular economic system under which we live.  What they really resent is, in truth, that there is an economic problem.
     In their wishful belief that there is really no longer an economic problem people have been confirmed by irresponsible talk about "potential plenty"- which, if it were a fact, would indeed mean there is no economic problem which makes the choice inevitable.  But although this snare has served socialist propaganda under various names as long as socialism has existed, it is still as palpably untrue as it was when it was first used over a hundred years ago.  In all this time not one of the many people who have used it has produced a workable plan of how production could be increased so as to abolish even what we regard as poverty.  The reader may take it that whoever talks about potential plenty is either dishonest or does not know what he is talking about.  Yet it is this false hope as much as anything which drives us along the road of planning.
     While the popular movement still profits by this false belief, the claim that a planned economy would produce a substantially larger output than the competitive system is being progressively abandon by most students of the problem.  Even a good many economists with socialist views who have seriously studied the problems of central planning are now content to hope that a planned society will equal the efficiency of a competitive system; they advocate planning no longer because of its superior productivity but because it will enable us to secure a more and just and equitable distribution of wealth which conforms to some predetermined standard, if we want consciously to decide who is to have what, we must plan the whole economic system.  But the question remains whether the price we should have to pay for the realization of somebody's ideal of justice is not bound to be more discontent and more oppression than was ever caused by the much-abused free play of economic forces...
     It is often said that political freedom is meaningless without economic freedom.  This is true enough, but in a sense almost opposite from that in which the phrase used by our economic planners.  The economic freedom which is the prerequisite of any other freedom cannot be the freedom from economic care which the socialists promise us and which can be obtained only by relieving the individual at the same time of the necessity and of the power of choice; it must be the freedom of our economic activity which, with the right of choice, inevitably also carries the risk and responsibility of that right.


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"The true conservative seeks to protect the system of private property and free enterprise by correcting such injustices and inequalities as arise from it.


“From the fact that people are very different it follows that, if we treat them equally, the result must be inequality in their actual position, and that the only way to place them in an equal position would be to treat them differently. Equality before the law and material equality are therefore not only different but are in conflict which each other; and we can achieve either one or the other, but not both at the same time.”


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FDR was lucky to have been in charge when the country were mostly illiterate immigrants who knew no better. They bought his 'new deal' hook line and sinker. No one retired from their job 'until' SS was invented. And it was only invented to make more jobs available for the WWII vets. These poor bastards were told that they would be able to 'retire' on their SS benefits!! And would never have to worry about finances when they grew older. Sounded great to the illiterate immigrants who just came out of the GREAT DEPRESSION!!

BULLSH!T!! So not only did they lie about that....now it has become and unsustainable beast!! I have talked to many many folks who are from that generation who agree that it was just a lie!!!

So here is a shout out.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY FDR.....you liberal socialist progressive liar!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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When FDR made the promise of providing Social Security for all the majority of the people who would be eligible never lived long enough to collect. Those unintended consequences that always seem to happen when things are done too quickly without enough thought, like the Health-Care Law.
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Quoted from bumblethru
FDR was lucky to have been in charge when the country were mostly illiterate immigrants who knew no better. They bought his 'new deal' hook line and sinker. No one retired from their job 'until' SS was invented. And it was only invented to make more jobs available for the WWII vets. These poor bastards were told that they would be able to 'retire' on their SS benefits!! And would never have to worry about finances when they grew older. Sounded great to the illiterate immigrants who just came out of the GREAT DEPRESSION!!

BULLSH!T!! So not only did they lie about that....now it has become and unsustainable beast!! I have talked to many many folks who are from that generation who agree that it was just a lie!!!

So here is a shout out.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY FDR.....you liberal socialist progressive liar!!!


You are either the "liar" or are hopelessly misinformed about American history.

Countering Lie # 1 told by the Teapartiers/Mertzie-Bumblethru:
Social Security was "invented"  BEFORE World War II -- The Social Security Act, Pub.L. 74-271, 49 Stat. 620, enacted August 14, 1935,  that is 4 years BEFORE the war broke out in Europe and 6 years before the US entered the war.   This was NOT a new idea in 1935.   The precedent for "old age and disability insurance was set by  Germany which  has Europe's oldest universal health care system, with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889   (and Bismarck was hardly a Socialist)

Countering Lie #2 told by the Teapartiers/Metzie-bumblethru:

Social Security was NOT passed just because America was a bunch of illiterate immigrants --- In fact in 1930 the % of illiterate Americans was only  4.3%.

Percentage of persons 14 years old and over who were illiterate (unable to read or write in any language), by race and nativity: 1870 to 1979

Year     Total     White     Black and other
Total     Native     Foreign-born
1870     20.0     11.5     –     –     79.9
1880     17.0     9.4     8.7     12.0     70.0
1890     13.3     7.7     6.2     13.1     56.8
1900     10.7     6.2     4.6     12.9     44.5
1910     7.7     5.0     3.0     12.7     30.5
1920     6.0     4.0     2.0     13.1     23.0
1930     4.3     3.0     1.6     10.8     16.4
1940     2.9     2.0     1.1     9.0     11.5
1947     2.7     1.8     –     –     11.0
1950     3.2     –     –     –     –
1952     2.5     1.8     –     –     10.2
1959     2.2     1.6     –     –     7.5
1969     1.0     0.7     –     –     3.6 *
1979     0.6     0.4     –     –     1.6 *
* Based on black population only
SOURCE: U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970; and Current Population Reports, Series P-23, Ancestry and Language in the United States: November 1979. (This table was prepared in September 1992.)


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Good morning Ronnie................

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DVOR......HAM.....WHOEVER

NOT POSTING A COMMENT ON THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT WAS POSTED ON THE TB MEETINGS...

THE TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T IT    DUDE...
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My response to the ignorant comments of the nayboob teapartiers/GOP : "I regard it as untruthful - the most dastardly -- the most unpatriotic thing that has ever been said".


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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My response to the ignorant comments of the nayboob teapartiers/GOP : "I regard it as untruthful - the most dastardly -- the most unpatriotic thing that has ever been said".


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I didn't expect any intelligent responses from the nayboobs.


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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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yOUR RESPONSE IS NOT UNEXPECTED.....YES BOOB
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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FDR was THE greatest President and THE greatest leader in ALL of history with the possible exception of Jesus Christ of Nazareth..


"We have to talk about liberating minds as well as liberating society."
---Angela Davis



"When you put a tiny and despised minority up for a popular vote, the minority usually loses."

---Andrew Sullivan




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More goo for the brain...FDR's lofty speeches and witty quips promise freedom, justice, and equality - all the while his policies were taking those things away.

Forced human kindness through the force of government and law has destroyed the fiber of free people and has created a growing segment of society dependant on the government’s power to take from once citizen to give to another.  The welfare state is one of the greatest reasons there is a divide in America today - and there is resentment growing.

Thank you FDR for the modern welfare state.  GREAT JOB!


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