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Box A Rox
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I guess Box forgot Obama's "typical white person" remark he made about his grandmother


Ya think so Henry??? Do you think that I FORGOT about an OBAMA comment when I was discussing THE GOP???

(It seems the only way the Righies on this board can comment on the GOP and Race is to post:
"Oh Yea... the Dems do it too"!

(Again,  possibly I gave this board more credit than it deserves.)  


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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(It seems the only way the Righies on this board can comment on the GOP and Race is to post:
"Oh Yea... the Dems do it too"!


When you and ThinkProgress try to make racial politics exclusive to the GOP, I am taking the opportunity to show how the same game can easily be played against Democrats.  Sorry I am not debating your silly video and loaded thread title on your terms.  

For the uneducated, racial fear mongering works to keep loyalty to the political party that promises to protect them from this manufactured enemy.Racism can NEVER go away, the Democrat Party depends on it to win elections.


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..seems like walking on eggs is the answer???

A thought...   it's ok for the RAP music that degrades and uses racist remarks....violence towards women.....rule, and law....

now is this a racist comment?????
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When you and ThinkProgress try to make racial politics exclusive to the GOP, I am taking the opportunity to show how the same game can easily be played against Democrats.  Sorry I am not debating your silly video and loaded thread title on your terms.  

For the uneducated, racial fear mongering works to keep loyalty to the political party that promises to protect them from this manufactured enemy.Racism can NEVER go away, the Democrat Party depends on it to win elections.


Racism is always an open subject of conversation, and how it applies to our society in general.  The GOP field
in this campaign have gone out of their way to single out racism as an election tool.  
They say the CODE WORDS to gain votes.
They USE racism in an attempt to 'out racist' their opponents, to appeal to those who will vote for a racist view.
They appear, by their own words, to be proud of their racist comments.

IMO, most of these GOP contenders probably aren't racist... but most seem to be anxious to use race to gain
votes.  


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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They say the CODE WORDS to gain votes.
They USE racism in an attempt to 'out racist' their opponents, to appeal to those who will vote for a racist view.
They appear, by their own words, to be proud of their racist comments.

IMO, most of these GOP contenders probably aren't racist... but most seem to be anxious to use race to gain
votes.  


Who determines and assigns the meaning to "code words"?  If they are "coded", who broke the code?  Who decided welfare and food stamps are now racist code words - MSNBC commentators?

It is shameful that the democrat party has stooped to redefining words to take on racial or racist meanings to keep their constituents in the party...Does it ever end?  


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Who determines and assigns the meaning to "code words"?  If they are "coded", who broke the code?  Who decided welfare and food stamps are now racist code words - MSNBC commentators?

It is shameful that the democrat party has stooped to redefining words to take on racial or racist meanings to keep their constituents in the party...Does it ever end?  


Uppity??? No code word there is there Cicero.  Nope!

You can deny the use of "dog whistle" language to gain votes, but politicians know well the value of those words.
In his bid to be President GWB used one set of "dog whistle' words  delivering one message to the overall electorate
while at the same time delivering quite a different message to a targeted evangelical Christian political base.

In 1981, former Republican Party strategist Lee Atwater gave an interview discussing the matter, quoted:
You start out in 1954 by saying, "nig***, nig*** nig***."
By 1968, you can't say "nig***" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states'
rights
and all that stuff.
You're getting so abstract now you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about
are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And
subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and
that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because
obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and
a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nig***, nig***."

Cicero can deny that 'code words' exist... but leaders of both Democrat and Republican party know well that they
are used and they are experts at using them to promote their agenda.


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Cicero can deny that 'code words' exist... but leaders of both Democrat and Republican party know well that they
are used and they are experts at using them to promote their agenda.


'Code words' are only created when political pundits and the media give them a definition.  

You can't say cut social security, that's code for throwing grandma out into the cold.
You can't say cut food stamps and social welfare because that suddenly has become code for starve African Americans.
You can't say you want to stop illegal immigration, that's code for being anti-hispanic.
You can't say you want to end foreign wars, that's code for not supporting the troops.
You can't say you want to cut foreign aid to ALL nations including Israel, that's code for being anti-semetic.
You can't say you are pro-life, that's code for Christian religious zealots.


As you can see, the media and both parties have taken ANY CHANCE of addressing issues by attaching some 'code' specific to a race, religion, age, gender, and sexual orientation.  

And you attempt to perpetuate the practice of demagoguing issues with your little think progress video.  

The code theory only works when the propagandist first convince the people of a code.  Your video and Lee Atwood quotes is the propagandists effort to convince the American masses there is a coded language.


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Dog Whistle Politics defined:  
Dog-whistle politics, also known as the use of code words, is a type of political campaigning or speech making
which employs coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has a different or
more specific meaning for a targeted subgroup of the audience. The term is invariably pejorative, and is used to
refer both to messages with an intentional subtext, and those where the existence or intent of a secondary
meaning is disputed.

Cic wants us to believe that Code Words are obsolete...
Consider this from 2 months ago:
An 'uppity' outrage
November 27, 2011|Clarence Page
I don't know whose idea it was to send first lady Michelle Obama to a NASCAR race. But the reaction offers
a timely lesson in political correctness, a regime that used to be known simply as good manners.

Thanks to conservative radio star Rush Limbaugh, the NASCAR affair has spawned a blamestorm in the blogosphere
over whether anyone, especially liberals, should be offended by a word with a wicked racial history: "uppity."

Chicago Tribune
http://articles.chicagotribune.....dhood-obesity-uppity


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Cic wants us to believe that Code Words are obsolete...
ppity


I said it was obsolete?  No, I said it was created by the parties through the media outlets TELLING YOU it is coded.  Without you being told the code, the word would otherwise be interpreted as what the definition is.  Did you know "uppity" was a racist term?  I didn't.  I've called a person an 'uppity b**ch' before and I had no clue I was using a racist comment.  I was using uppity in it's defined term of self important, arrogant, or conceded.  

So based on your belief in coded words, an African American could never be call 'uppity' as in self important and arrogant, it automatically means the derogatory meaning from the 1800's?  

Coded language, what a hoot.  People have to be reminded it's coded and it's meaning, after it was said.  Amazing!!


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I said it was obsolete?  No, I said it was created by the parties through the media outlets TELLING YOU it is coded.  Without you being told the code, the word would otherwise be interpreted as what the definition is.  Did you know "uppity" was a racist term?  I didn't.  I've called a person an 'uppity b**ch' before and I had no clue I was using a racist comment.  I was using uppity in it's defined term of self important, arrogant, or conceded.  

So based on your belief in coded words, an African American could never be call 'uppity' as in self important and arrogant, it automatically means the derogatory meaning from the 1800's?  

Coded language, what a hoot.  People have to be reminded it's coded and it's meaning, after it was said.  Amazing!!


It amazes me how many words have been "stolen", I see real confusion in the future when trying to tell someone about the Gay Nineties...............I hate that.....................
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Lots of words have been co-opted for modern use.  The word "TeaBagger" in colonial times meant a packager of tea.
Then it referred to a sexual position.
Today according to the Urban Dictionary...
" teabagger"
A whining fool shouting loudly for liberty but not willing to pay the bill.


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I think Urban Dictionary is "coded".  What does 'urban' mean?  

I once told a person that I don't wear what is called 'urban wear', and they tried to play the race card and make me feel uncomfortable for using the term...As if I was making a racist remark.  I know the game.  Playing the coded language game gives you a broader selection of words to tar and feather people as a racist.  It is a despicable tactic.  


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...they tried to play the race card and make me feel uncomfortable for using the term...  


Oh NO!!!!  Cic was MADE to feel (lmao) Uncomfortable!  



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From some one who grew up in the South, and understands the politics...



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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Oh NO!!!!  Cic was MADE to feel (lmao) Uncomfortable!  



I said tried...I know the game, it didn't work.  I called him on it like I'm calling you on it.  


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