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McNut is gonna WISH the Republicans had won, so they'd have SOMEONE to blame this colossal failure on.
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it is so sad that the  Republicans/NNTPers-Teapartiers are so filled with jealous hatred because THEY lost control of the county legislature and of Metroplex 8 years ago ...... and they lost it because people were sick and tired of the 40+ years of decline/economic ruin that the Republicans brought to Schenectady County.

They get so desperate when confronted with their own failure as a party and as leaders of government ---- this explains why they had to resort to illegally and unconstitutionally gerrymandering the State Senate districts in the desperate attempt to hold on to what little  power they have left in the state.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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it is so sad that the  Republicans/NNTPers-Teapartiers are so filled with jealous hatred because THEY lost control of the county legislature and of Metroplex 8 years ago ...... and they lost it because people were sick and tired of the 40+ years of decline/economic ruin that the Republicans brought to Schenectady County.

They get so desperate when confronted with their own failure as a party and as leaders of government ---- this explains why they had to resort to illegally and unconstitutionally gerrymandering the State Senate districts in the desperate attempt to hold on to what little  power they have left in the state.


is gerrymandering also the same as the high yield DSS? because there is more than one way to skin a vote......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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is gerrymandering also the same as the high yield DSS? because there is more than one way to skin a vote......


You are correct! The METROPLEX/GILLEN and the DEMOCRATS have created a false sense of economic security...when in fact there is no security at all!!
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS promised lower taxes...when in fact they are the highest in the state.
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS promised 'new' good paying sustainable jobs....when in fact there are few to none!
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS have created/appointed more patronage jobs then in schenectady's history!!
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS have 'created' a dumbed down dependent society ever seen in schenectady's history!!(60% welfare)
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS have failed to address the rampant crime that is growing by leaps and bounds daily!!
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS can take the honors of having a municipality where there are more vacant properties then ever before in schenectady's history!!
The METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS, in 8 years, are now the proud owners of two Hamilton Hills!

Ya wanna talk about gerrymandering........just look at the METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS!! What a mess they have created!!

The 40% of the taxpayers are sick and tired of the 8+ years of high taxes/high crime, failing school system, and the decline/economic ruin that the METROPLEX/GILLEN/DEMOCRATS have brought upon schenectady!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Obviously, the nayboobs don't even know a BASIC term "gerrymandering" that most students learned in 8th grade Social Studies  (back when I was in school) or in 11th grade Social Studies today.  



George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
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DVR gerrymanders wherever there is food.


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DVR gerrymanders wherever there is food.


HA!


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice that attempts to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating geographic boundaries to create partisan, incumbent-protected districts. The resulting district is known as a gerrymander ( /ˈdʒɛriˌmændər/); however, that word can also refer to the process.

Gerrymandering may be used to achieve desired electoral results for a particular party, or may be used to help or hinder a particular demographic, such as a political, racial, linguistic, religious or class group.

When used to allege that a given party is gaining disproportionate power, the term gerrymandering has negative connotations. However, a gerrymander may also be used for purposes that some perceive as positive, such as in US federal voting district boundaries that produce a majority of constituents representative of African-American or other racial minorities (these are thus called "minority-majority districts").
  

[edit] Difference from malapportionment

Gerrymandering should not be confused with malapportionment, whereby the number of eligible voters per elected representative can vary widely without relation to how the boundaries are drawn. Nevertheless the ~mander suffix has been applied to particular malapportionments, such as the "Playmander" in South Australia and the "Bjelkemander" in Queensland. Sometimes political representatives use both gerrymandering and malapportionment to try to maintain power.

[edit] Etymology


First printed in March 1812, this political cartoon was drawn in reaction to the state senate electoral districts drawn by the Massachusetts legislature to favour the Democratic-Republican Party candidates of Governor Elbridge Gerry over the Federalists. The caricature satirises the bizarre shape of a district in Essex County, Massachusetts as a vulture. Federalist newspapers editors and others at the time likened the district shape to a salamander, and the word gerrymander was a blend of that word and Governor Gerry's last name.
The word gerrymander (originally written Gerry-mander) was used for the first time in the Boston Gazette on March 26, 1812. The word was created in reaction to a redrawing of Massachusetts state senate election districts under the then-governor Elbridge Gerry (pronounced /ˈɡɛri/; 1744–1814). In 1812, Governor Gerry signed a bill that redistricted Massachusetts to benefit his Democratic-Republican Party. When mapped, one of the contorted districts in the Boston area was said to resemble the shape of a salamander. The exact author of the term gerrymander may never be definitively established. It is widely believed by historians that Federalist newspaper editors Nathan Hale, Benjamin and John Russell were the instigators, but the historical record gives no definitive evidence as to who created or uttered the word for the first time.[1] The term was a portmanteau of the governor's last name and the word salamander.

Appearing with the term, and helping to spread and sustain its popularity, was a political cartoon depicting a strange animal with claws, wings and a dragon-like head satirising the map of the odd-shaped district. This cartoon was most likely drawn by Elkanah Tisdale, an early 19th century painter, designer, and engraver who was living in Boston at the time.[2]

Tisdale also had the engraving skills to cut the woodblocks that printed the original cartoon.[3] These woodblocks survive and are preserved in the Library of Congress.[4] The word gerrymander was reprinted numerous times in Federalist newspapers in Massachusetts, New England, and nationwide during the remainder of 1812.[5] This suggests some organised activity of the Federalists to disparage Governor Gerry in particular and the growing Democratic-Republican party in general. Gerrymandering soon began to be used to describe not only the original Massachusetts example but also other cases of district-shape manipulation for partisan gain in other states. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, institutionalisation of the word became complete with its first appearance in a dictionary (184 and first appearance in an encyclopedia (186.[6]

Although the letter g of the eponymous Gerry is pronounced /ɡ/ as in go, the word gerrymander is most commonly pronounced /ˈdʒɛrimændər/, with a /dʒ/ as in gentle.

[edit] Voting systems

Gerrymandering is used most often in favor of ruling incumbents[7] or a specific political party. Societies whose legislatures use a single-winner voting system are the most likely to have political parties that gerrymander for advantage.[citation needed] Most notably, gerrymandering is particularly effective in non-proportional systems that tend towards fewer parties, such as first past the post.

Most democracies have partly proportional electoral systems, where several political parties are proportionally represented in the national parliaments, in proportion to the total numbers of votes of the parties in the regional or national elections. In these more or less proportional representation systems, gerrymandering has little or less significance.

Some countries, such as the UK and Canada, authorize non-partisan organizations to set constituency boundaries in an attempt to prevent gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is most common in countries where elected politicians are responsible for defining constituency boundaries. They have obvious self interest in determining boundaries to their and their party's interest.


[edit] Packing and cracking

The two aims of gerrymandering are to maximize the effect of supporters' votes and to minimize the effect of opponents' votes. One strategy, packing, is to concentrate as many voters of one type into a single electoral district to reduce their influence in other districts. In some cases this may be done to obtain representation for a community of common interest, rather than to dilute that interest over several districts to a point of ineffectiveness. A second strategy, cracking, involves spreading out voters of a particular type among many districts in order to deny them a sufficiently large voting bloc in any particular district. The strategies are typically combined, creating a few "forfeit" seats for packed voters of one type in order to secure even greater representation for voters of another type.

Gerrymandering is effective because of the wasted vote effect. By packing opposition voters into districts they will already win (increasing excess votes for winners) and by cracking the remainder among districts where they are moved into the minority (increasing votes for eventual losers), the number of wasted votes among the opposition can be maximized. Similarly, with supporters holding narrow margins in the unpacked districts, the number of wasted votes among supporters is minimized.

While the wasted vote effect is strongest when a party wins by narrow margins across multiple districts, gerrymandering narrow margins can be risky when voters are less predictable. To minimize the risk of demographic or political shifts swinging a district to the opposition, politicians can instead create more packed districts, leading to more comfortable margins in unpacked ones.


DUH,,,,DVOR.......there are multiple ways to skin a vote....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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This is all Bush's fault and if that doesn't work, the Republicans did something wrong once too so don't pay attention to everything the democraps screwed up.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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The DOT building was a great improvement to the dilapidated old buildings that once stood on the site --- if it is true that the DOT offices will be moving out  (and for now this is just a rumor) than another tenant will be found for the building and life will go on.   Change happens -- so grow up and get over it.



JUST A RUMOR DV?????    Huh?    Where's your dem buddies?   Don't' they let you in on the truth?   The facts???

HA HA, I WAS RIGHT AGAIN.....AS ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE IMAGINARY RENAISSANCE GOES ON AND ON !!!    

Almost two years ago, a WHOPPING 3,462 EMPTY apartments and MORE TODAY as people FLEE THE CITY in droves.   Recoird high numbers of vacant houses--abandoned OR cared-for.  Not only do ordinary houses not sell in the city, but even the most beautiful houses in the classiest neighborhoods in the city can't sell on the open market, e.g., go to foreclosure.

But the dems keep raising taxes on the homeowners, keep exempting the millioniares from paying their property taxes.  


And the Gazette doesn't even report it!!!!!


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The Department of Transportation will move the regional office that oversees its operations in the Capital Region from downtown Schenectady to its Wolf Road headquarters, according to a departmental communication.

The move is part of a larger “re-stacking” that state officials are pushing to address what officials at the Office of General Services estimate is a 25 percent vacancy rate in state-owned buildings.

“This move will save the Department of Transportation approximately $1.4 million dollars annually in rent and utilities that we have been paying to maintain independent offices in Schenectady,” the communication, forwarded over by a reader, says. “An exact date for this move has not yet been identified, but current indications are that it will be during late March.”

The savings, however, must be roundabout: the state owns 328 State Street in Schenectady, where the offices are located. In some instances, state officials have said, they are consolidating employees within state-owned offices and then filling the resultant spaces with more employees of leased offices.

The re-stack will also result in the Division of Criminal Justice Services decamping from the tower at Stuyvesant Plaza to the Alfred E. Smith Building, and the re-location of 600 Department of Health employees from buildings in Troy.

It’s unclear how many employees will be affected by this move. The announcement, by the DOT, is below.


As discussed in the January 20, 2012 IntraDOT announcement, Governor Cuomo has directed State Agencies to identify cost reduction opportunities by reducing vacant office space in State-owned/leased buildings. OGS has recently completed surveys of both 50 Wolf Road and Region 1’s space at 328 State Street in Schenectady and determined that it is in the State’s best interest to move employees working at 328 State Street in Schenectady into vacant space at the Department’s Main Office at 50 Wolf Road. This move will save the Department of Transportation approximately $1.4 million dollars annually in rent and utilities that we have been paying to maintain independent offices in Schenectady.

An exact date for this move has not yet been identified, but current indications are that it will be during late March. Notification at this point will allow the maximum time possible for employees who may have child or elder care, transportation, or other issues to begin making arrangements to address these concerns. Employees whose official station is 328 State Street, Schenectady, will be receiving formal, written notification of their relocation in the next few days.

This move comes at a time when the Department is faced with the challenge of delivering an Accelerated Capital Program, with lettings scheduled for April, May, and June. It will be important for employees in both locations to concentrate on the work they are performing to meet these letting deadlines. A small, highly focused team made up of staff from Main Office Facilities Management and other Main Office program areas directly required to implement this move will immediately begin working with OGS staff to design the restacking of 50 Wolf Road. A small, highly focused team from Region One will be put together to work with Region One employees, providing guidance to them on preparing for the move and to assist them in making the move.

Additional IntraDOT announcements will be made as the plan is developed. With everyone working together as a team to accomplish this important cost-saving measure, disruptions to day-to-day operations should be minimized, and the transition should go as smoothly as it did when the Main Office moved to Wolf Road from the State Office Campus, and when Region 1 moved from Holland Avenue to downtown Schenectady.


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Exclusive-DOT-leaving-Schenectady-2878694.php


A Times Union "Exclusive".

LMAO - You heard it here FIRST folks.
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    than another tenant will be found for the building and life will go on.  


Oh yeah, sure.  In your wildest dreams.

Yeah guess the existing empty spaces are indicative of tenants flocking to the city in droves, huh?

Once again, DV cannot admit that the city is failing

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McNut is gonna WISH the Republicans had won, so they'd have SOMEONE to blame this colossal failure on.


How true.


And where are the cheerleaders?    They don't even have the nerve to post on here now.    Just like none of them can explain how another tenant will be found when the existing office space down there is so vacant!



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the state owns 328 State Street in Schenectady, where the offices are located.

We all know how well the state finds new tenants for the buildings they own ... it's easier to tear it down and sell.  Otherwise, it's a nice building, but without a lucrative taxpayer handout for the parking garage places they'll need to provide, they'll never get another tenant in that building.

Wonder when the Lottery is gonna pull out and move to Albany
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Quoted from 147
the state owns 328 State Street in Schenectady, where the offices are located.

We all know how well the state finds new tenants for the buildings they own ... it's easier to tear it down and sell.  Otherwise, it's a nice building, but without a lucrative taxpayer handout for the parking garage places they'll need to provide, they'll never get another tenant in that building.

Wonder when the Lottery is gonna pull out and move to Albany


And you're absolutely right MT, the Lotto will NEVER stay in Schenectady. Between the high crime, high taxes and fleeing of other businesses ...Schenectady will become a wasteland. Bet there were many sighs of relief from the DOT employees knowing they were leaving the City.  



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