Quoted from Box A Rox

I see another possibility...
The people that you talk to every day don't reflect the values of most Republican Voters.

Could be, but I have to say, I talk to quite a diverse cross section of people.  And this is New York, where most Republicans are Rockefeller Republicans, which I would say describes Mitt.  Still no enthusiasm for the guy...But hey, maybe you're right (I know you're left )

Except for Paul...imho.....none of the gop candidates are anything to get excited about. WHY? Because they offer nothing but the same old same old. Nothing will change and will probably even get worse be it obama or the gop slate. At least the liberal socialist dems admit that they are for big government.....the gop are as well...they just don't campaign on it like the socialists do. Dems and reps have the same war mongering appetite. And they are clearly both supportive of more invasive government in the lives of americans.

Unfortunately, most folks look at this gop primary like it was a foot ball game...hoping to win the trophy with no thought of ideology or direction....just the win.

IMHO

Quoted from bumblethru

Except for Paul...imho.....none of the gop candidates are anything to get excited about. WHY? Because they offer nothing but the same old same old. Nothing will change and will probably even get worse be it obama or the gop slate. At least the liberal socialist dems admit that they are for big government.....the gop are as well...they just don't campaign on it like the socialists do. Dems and reps have the same war mongering appetite. And they are clearly both supportive of more invasive government in the lives of americans.

Unfortunately, most folks look at this gop primary like it was a foot ball game...hoping to win the trophy with no thought of ideology or direction....just the win.

IMHO

Personally,  I think Huntsman and Santorum and Perry have offered some very good ideas.   IMHO, Huntsman is probably the best of the GOP candidates.   I like Santorum's proposal to cut taxes on US manufacturers who manufacture IN the US.  Governor Perry also has some very good ideas for getting the economy moving and I still think he has the best chance of all the GOP candidates to actually win the election.  
The GOP has not won the White House without a candidate from Texas on the national ticket  .... so maybe the GOP should be looking at a Huntsman-Perry ticket or a Santorum-Perry ticket.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Personally,  I think Huntsman and Santorum and Perry have offered some very good ideas.   IMHO, Huntsman is probably the best of the GOP candidates.   I like Santorum's proposal to cut taxes on US manufacturers who manufacture IN the US.  Governor Perry also has some very good ideas for getting the economy moving and I still think he has the best chance of all the GOP candidates to actually win the election.  
The GOP has not won the White House without a candidate from Texas on the national ticket  .... so maybe the GOP should be looking at a Huntsman-Perry ticket or a Santorum-Perry ticket.

I like Huntsman a lot, but he doesn't have $$, is Mormon so the religious conservatives won't vote for him. Perry has been Dan Qualye-ed, he is done. Santorum is beholden too much to the religious right. Some of his view would send independents running. Its too bad that Hunstman is a Mormon, because it would be a great VP choice for Romney. He will add to the ticket without taking embarrassing or taking attention away from Mitt.
But two Mormons on the same ticket??? All the religous conservatives would stay home.

Quoted from 55tbird

I like Huntsman a lot, but he doesn't have $$, is Mormon so the religious conservatives won't vote for him. Perry has been Dan Qualye-ed, he is done. Santorum is beholden too much to the religious right. Some of his view would send independents running. Its too bad that Hunstman is a Mormon, because it would be a great VP choice for Romney. He will add to the ticket without taking embarrassing or taking attention away from Mitt.
But two Mormons on the same ticket??? All the religous conservatives would stay home.

The difference between Romney and Huntsman -- Romney has been running for president since his Dad lost in the primaries in 1968 --- and Mitt Romney will say and do  anything to get himself elected.  
On the other hand, Huntsman IMHO is an honest and decent man who  is seriously qualified to serve as president -- who is running reasons more honorable than it is something he is entitled to by virtue of his birth and social status.

Dan Quayle was a good man and even Candice Bergen admitted that Quayle was actually right on the issues* -- I see that his son, Ben, now represents the 3rd District of Arizona in Congress.

Rick Santorum is right on a lot of social issues - particularly his being pro-life and others.

*
Candice Bergen Agrees with Dan Quayle
BY STEPHEN M. SILVERMAN

Thursday July 11, 2002 11:05 AM EDT  People Magazine

FacebookTweetAll that righteous indignation for nothing: Candice Bergen, it turns out, actually concurred with Dan Quayle, who 10 years ago, when he was Vice-President, famously criticized her and her TV show, "Murphy Brown," for presenting a leading character as an unwed mother. At the time, Quayle, who was long the butt of jokes for his several grammatical and logical gaffes in public, attacked Bergen's "Murphy Brown" TV character for "mocking the importance of fathers by bearing a child alone and calling it just another 'lifestyle choice.'" Commentators had a field day -- mostly asking whether Quayle had anything better to do -- while on the CBS sitcom itself, Bergen, as Brown, was shown heavily bogged down with the chores of motherhood and asking what Dan Quayle found so glamorous about her situation. But, reports the Associated Press, speaking to TV reporters this week, Bergen, now 56 (and a lifelong liberal, despite having a staunchly conservative father, ventriloquist Edgar Bergen), declared: "I never have really said much about the whole episode, which was endless. But his speech was a perfectly intelligent speech about fathers not being dispensable and nobody agreed with that more than I did." Still stinging from the criticism that was leveled against him a decade ago, Quayle, 55, who no longer holds public office, only two months ago praised the moral values of "The Osbournes," despite its profanity, because he said the show presents to American audiences the negative effects of drug use by featuring Ozzy. "That Dan, " Bergen said, "you just can't predict him."

Speaking of The Osbournes, i would rather listen to Ozzie pontificate about the GOP primaries than the buffoon DVOR. Ozzie would make more sense and not half as painful to endure.

Quoted from GrahamBonnet

Speaking of The Osbournes, i would rather listen to Ozzie pontificate about the GOP primaries than the buffoon DVOR. Ozzie would make more sense and not half as painful to endure.

and yet I predicted a few months back that Santorum would actually do well in the primaries --- long before you and the other who post here even knew who he was.

People who underestimate me -- do so at their own peril.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

and yet I predicted a few months back that Santorum would actually do well in the primaries --- long before you and the other who post here even knew who he was.

People who underestimate me -- do so at their own peril.

He did well in a caucus, he's polling shitty in the NH primary.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

and yet I predicted a few months back that Santorum would actually do well in the primaries --- long before you and the other who post here even knew who he was.

People who underestimate me -- do so at their own peril.

Uhhh, I knew who he was. At the risk of sounding like you "I have a family member whose best friend was Santorum's roomate in college. So that family member knows him very well. The family member's spouse was also once an aide to Senator Heinz, so I am more than aware of the players in the PA GOP including Santorum."

So I know enough about him, alright. He is a political flash in the pan who is getting the benefit of a vacuum in the staunch social-conservative role in the race. Could he be VP? Maybe but I doubt it. His star will fade. I know you like him because he is a pro-life Knight of Malta and all that, and I admire that too. But he is not going to play and he can't deliver his own state. If I am picking the VP I am picking former Attny General/current Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia to be on the ticket. Nobody of any substance believes that a Hail Mary Pass is a good idea when you have solid conservatives with records of success to win the votes of middle America to beat Obama and his far-left radical crew of destroyers.

Here is what you will see:

Romney/McDonnell

Go read up on McDonnell

Quoted from CICERO

He did well in a caucus, he's polling shitty in the NH primary.

Considering that Senator Santorum has not spent much time or money in New Hampshire -- the fact that he is getting double digits in the polls (when a month ago he was getting 1% or less) shows that he is actually doing well ... not as you described "shitty".

Huntsman and Gingrinch have spent a lot of time and money in New Hampshire and are polling the same as Santorum ---- so comparatively ... Santorum is doing better than they are.

And Romney is the front runner, has been campaigning for 5 years  and is the "favorite son from next door" who can't seem to break 40% in New Hampshire --- so I would say that Romney is doing "shitty".

Especially since Independents can vote in the New Hampshire primary and will probably vote for Paul, Gingrinch, Huntsman and Santorum   ....  

lets wait to see how the polls change after the debate tonight -- and then of course the REAL POLL .. the only poll that matters on Primary Day.

ABC debate ----   I would say that no one was the clear winner  ...  the losers ---  I think Romney looked fake and unimpressive and Senator Paul just came across as strange.

Senator Santorum and Speaker Gingrinch did very well and gained the most.  They nailed the questions and looked confident .. looked even presidential.   Governor Perry and Ambassador Huntsman were good ... but probably not good enough to score a win.

The LOSERS in that debate were the hosts - snuffleupolous and snoozer.

You mean their true colors became visible.

The post debate analysis was a joke --- I don't think Jake Tapper and the others even watched or listened to the actual debate.  They all seemed to have made up their minds before hand (before the debate even started) what they were going to say.

BTW -- I heard from some more folks today ... not Republicans ... who were favorably impressed with Newt Gingrich's performance in the debate.  Several admitted that while they had not though much of Gingrich in the past -- they thought he articulated some very good points and have "warmed up" to him as a viable presidential candidate.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The post debate analysis was a joke --- I don't think Jake Tapper and the others even watched or listened to the actual debate.  They all seemed to have made up their minds before hand (before the debate even started) what they were going to say.

BTW -- I heard from some more folks today ... not Republicans ... who were favorably impressed with Newt Gingrich's performance in the debate.  Several admitted that while they had not though much of Gingrich in the past -- they thought he articulated some very good points and have "warmed up" to him as a viable presidential candidate.

Hey, as far as we're concerned, you can have him.  You just proved one thing... that non-Republicans love The Newt.  Please, take him.  He doesn't represent us.