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Homeland Security Report: Summary 2009
Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks
of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence
against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing
extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern
to law enforcement.
Is this the post you refer to? I see this as the government accusing all right wing groups for buying firearms but the groups aren't making any threats.
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Homeland Security Report: Summary 2009
Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks
of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence
against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing
extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern
to law enforcement.
Is this the post you refer to? I see this as the government accusing all right wing groups for buying firearms but the groups aren't making any threats.


Here is the entire report from Homeland Security...
" Rightwing Extremism: Current  Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment"

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Everybody is a potential terrorist.

Don't forget this one.  Minting money is terrorism.  

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Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict.

“While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0311/US_Attorney_calls_currency_minting_terrorism.html#


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I gave one example, then a 2009 Homeland Security report discussing "Right Wing Domestic Terrorism".


by PC government rhetoric....the conversation will always go the way of the government due to their media ownership(doesn't matter which party either)......

right wing or left wing.....how about THE PEOPLE'S WING...with choice not so much regulation on personal choices as to what we consume/breath/buy/drink.....

we are turning into a Demolition Man state......shame on the leaders....they injected the fear tactic via terrorism.....Obama would have done better strengthening the people's spirit by removing
fear......time to get up from the campfire and put away our guitars of politics


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Where is the line between "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary" and "terrorist"?  

I think a freedom fighter and revolutionary are those that take arms against those governments that the United States government oppose and deem unacceptable, and terrorists are those that disagree with and take arms against the U.S. government and its ally's.


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Under the paragraph Key Findings the Dept of Homeland Security states that there are no credible threats being made by these right wing groups but they are recruiting new members and stockpiling guns. In the second paragraph the government states that there have been threats made by some right wing militia groups but are for the most part rhetorical and are not really serious about doing anything to the government. It reminds me of when the Department of Homeland Security told their agents to watch all returning military personnel, right wing militia groups and anybody with a Ron Paul bumper sticker on there vehicles as being potential domestic terrorists. I'd say it was government paranoia.
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Where is the line between "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary" and "terrorist"?  

I think a freedom fighter and revolutionary are those that take arms against those governments that the United States government oppose and deem unacceptable, and terrorists are those that disagree with and take arms against the U.S. government and its ally's.


Taking up arms against the US Government is by definition "TREASON".

treason   
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.


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Taking up arms against the US Government is by definition "TREASON".

treason   
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.


Taking up arms to "overthrow" one's government would be treason.  

But, a Revolution is:

1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.

And what America is today is called tyranny:

1.     a. government by a tyrant or tyrants; despotism
     b. similarly oppressive and unjust government by more than one person
2.     arbitrary, unreasonable, or despotic behaviour or use of authority: the teacher's tyranny
5.     (esp in ancient Greece) government by a usurper


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Taking up arms to "overthrow" one's government would be treason.  

But, a Revolution is:

1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.

And what America is today is called tyranny:

1.     a. government by a tyrant or tyrants; despotism
     b. similarly oppressive and unjust government by more than one person
2.     arbitrary, unreasonable, or despotic behaviour or use of authority: the teacher's tyranny
5.     (esp in ancient Greece) government by a usurper


By Cicero's view, Timothy McVeigh was a Revolutionary!!!  When a Revolution fails... Cicero's "Revolutionaries" will be
executed for Treason!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."




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By Cicero's view, Timothy McVeigh was a Revolutionary!!!  When a Revolution fails... Cicero's "Revolutionaries" will be
executed for Treason!  


Really?  I don't remember saying that.   No, he would be a mass murderer.  But, by Box's view, George Washington would be a right wing "terrorist".


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Box, takes some time an listen to the Judge.



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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."


This just about sums it up in a nutshell!!

But no need to worry. There will never be a revolution in this county since most are mindless leaning left socialists. The left that needs government to tell them what they should 'already' know. The independent minded, think for yourself americans are slowly dying off and there are only the brainwashed idiots that will be left!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Fear driven politics... and you all seem to fall for it.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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