Senate Votes To Let Military Detain Americans Indefinitely, White House Threatens Veto First Posted: 11/29/11 06:35 PM ET Updated: 11/30/11 12:05 AM ET
WASHINGTON -- The Senate voted Tuesday to keep a controversial provision to let the military detain terrorism suspects on U.S. soil and hold them indefinitely without trial -- prompting White House officials to reissue a veto threat.
The measure, part of the massive National Defense Authorization Act, was also opposed by civil libertarians on the left and right. But 16 Democrats and an independent joined with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) that would have killed the provision, voting it down with 61 against, and 37 for it.
"I'm very, very, concerned about having U.S. citizens sent to Guantanamo Bay for indefinite detention," said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the Senate's most conservative members.
Paul's top complaint is that a terrorism suspect would get just one hearing where the military could assert that the person is a suspected terrorist -- and then they could be locked up for life, without ever formally being charged. The only safety valve is a waiver from the secretary of defense.
"It's not enough just to be alleged to be a terrorist," Paul said, echoing the views of the American Civil Liberties Union. "That's part of what due process is -- deciding, are you a terrorist? I think it's important that we not allow U.S. citizens to be taken."........................>>>>............................>>>>.....................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....itely_n_1119473.html
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Ron Paul's warning was right all along about losing our liberties!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Ron Paul's warning was right all along about losing our liberties!!!
4 years ago when people were complaining about the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act we were told we were conspiracy theorist for worrying about this stuff, now here is the bill that says it can be used against American citizens
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
4 years ago when people were complaining about the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act we were told we were conspiracy theorist for worrying about this stuff, now here is the bill that says it can be used against American citizens
YUP! The Conservatives were the ones complaining... Liberals were agreeing.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
YUP! The Conservatives were the ones complaining... Liberals were agreeing.
Many people bought into the story that we needed this for our safety, after 9/11 I was one of those people. Although I woke up pretty quick to the dangers of such bills it was to late it was already law. The best I can do now is wake people up to such violations and hope one day we can get these bills repealed or sunsetted.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Many people bought into the story that we needed this for our safety, after 9/11 I was one of those people. Although I woke up pretty quick to the dangers of such bills it was to late it was already law. The best I can do now is wake people up to such violations and hope one day we can get these bills repealed or sunsetted.
I was scammed by the Bush WMD lies. I (wrongfully) assumed that even the President of the USA can't tell a lie that big. I was wrong... Many Americans were also deceived by those lies. As a result of my assumption, and of many others, there are 4400+ Americans dead from the Iraq Oil War.
The Patriot Act is a victory for terrorists everywhere.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Patriot Act is a victory for terrorists everywhere.
Sadly you are correct
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Senate Kills Effort To Ban Indefinite Military Detentions Of U.S. Citizens First Posted: 12/ 1/11 08:24 PM ET Updated: 12/ 1/11 08:56 PM ET
WASHINGTON -- Senators compromised Thursday on a bill that attempts to spell out the military's right to detain Americans indefinitely, killing a bid to bar the practice but passing an amendment that says current laws on the matter stand.
The provision in the National Defense Authorization Act aimed to codify a string of court cases and current anti-terrorism practices involved in the capture and treatment of terrorism suspects. It initially opened what opponents saw as the prospect of letting the military haul away any citizen about whom it had suspicions.
The new amendment specifies that the current practices may not change, although it also says explicitly that the military can pursue Americans at home.
"Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States," says the compromise amendment, which passed 99 to 1.
This is why our Federal Government is preparing to turn the military on the citizens. This is why the "battlefield" for the "war on terror" includes America. They have now given the Federal Government complete authority over any and all states rights. When the economy eventually collapses and the value of money evaporates, the Untied States citizens aren't going to turn on the government by rioting in the streets, breaking shop windows, and throwing a few molotov cocktail bombs like in Greece or Italy. Americans do things a little different than Europeans.
This is why our Federal Government is preparing to turn the military on the citizens. This is why the "battlefield" for the "war on terror" includes America. They have now given the Federal Government complete authority over any and all states rights. When the economy eventually collapses and the value of money evaporates, the Untied States citizens aren't going to turn on the government by rioting in the streets, breaking shop windows, and throwing a few molotov cocktail bombs like in Greece or Italy. Americans do things a little different than Europeans.
ahhhhhh.....YUP!!!!!!
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
1. a form of schizophrenia characterized by a slowly progressive deterioration of the personality, involving delusions and often hallucinations 2. informal intense fear or suspicion, esp when unfounded
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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