Our right of assembly is a Constitutional Right as defined by the US Supreme Court. What we perceive it to be is irrelevant. Many of the civil rights marches were illegal according to local or state ordinances, but the constitutional right of assembly took precedence.
Well since my comments were prefaced with "if I were Mayor" -- in that hypothetical situation - the mayor has to make a decision and can't wait for the Supreme Court to decide the issue.
My position is that any group has the right to PEACEFULLY and LAWFULLY assemble and to exercise their free speech through signs and voices .... but I would fully intend to enforce ALL of the appropriate state and local laws and ordinances. I believe that overnight camping in city parks is NOT allowed and that most city parks have a curfew. The city has laws against erecting structures without permits in general and in city parks and against using heaters and other electrical devices and porta potties without proper permits.
Oh-- and those flower beds -- they cost the taxpayers a lot of money --- so destroying them by pitching tents in them is completely inappropriate. Unfortunately - this Occupy Whatever group is not a formal legal entity .. so the group can't be sued or fined or otherwise forced to pay for the damages done to taxpayer funded public property.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
If you read this message board, your view of an Occupy Albany protester might be one of a dirty, 'smelly', freak, unemployed, freeloader, and worse.
If you disregard this board and go to Occupy Albany, you see a varied group of people, all ages, all occupations, all social status, from poor to wealthy.
Here is a glimpse of a typical Occupy Albany member... some how it doesn't correspond to the description of many on this board:
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I am a 27 year-old Registered Nurse, and I work at a local hospital, full time. I grew up in Johnstown, about an hour away from Albany in the foothills of the Adirondacks. My father passed away when I was 17 years old. He worked 3 jobs: as a Johnstown Police Officer, as Fulton County Deputy Sheriff, and he owned a small business delivering legal documents. My mother worked as a secretary until she went back to school to be a nurse, and my step father, who has been in my life since I was 5, worked in a local factory. My step mother was a nurse, too. I have two younger sisters, four older step sisters and one step brother. Money was tight growing up.
I consider myself to be an average American. I played sports, and was active in student council in high school. I went to SUNY Albany, got a degree is psychology, and waited tables for years until I went back to school for nursing in 2008. I’ve always graduated with top honors. I will be enrolled in a graduate program this January to become a Nurse Practitioner.
I live in downtown Albany with my boyfriend of over four years, Andrew (a guitar instructor and music teacher in Bethlehem), and our two cats. We have each been discontented with the current economic and political systems since before we met. In 2008, we went to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA, to go door to door helping to get President Obama elected, and it was an interesting experience. We have been mostly disappointed in his presidency. We wanted real change for our country, and so far he has done little to deliver on big promises. I understand it takes more than a president to instill change, and I think it goes without saying that our Congress is abysmally non-productive. (By the way, I’m terrible at remembering jokes, but one that I’ve always held on to is this: What is the opposite of progress? A: Congress.)
So that brings me to this: Why occupy? Occupy because you want positive change. Occupy because you want to bring it to the government’s attention that we want real economic, social, and political reform; that we want sustainable jobs with livable wages and benefits. Occupy to say that we do not want big banks to get all our tax money for bailouts with no strings attached. Occupy to say that we do not agree that money is equivalent to speech. Occupy to say that corporations are not people, and that we want health care coverage for every American. Occupy to say we want politicians to be held accountable for their actions, and to the Americans they represent, not only the ones who can write checks for their elections.
I value the importance of writing letters, making phone calls, and volunteering for your cause of choice; but I believe at this point, those actions are not enough. We need direct action. This movement has spread like wildfire across the globe, so we know that these sentiments are felt widely and are bubbling everywhere. We don’t have all the solutions yet, but we are calling attention to the problems, and we have the Power of the People behind us. I am occupying Academy Park because I want a better future for myself, for my future children, and for yours. A vastly better world is possible, and we can achieve it together, organizing in our communities, one occupied day at a time.
Not quite the picture that some on this board paint of a typical Occupy Albany protester is it?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I really don't care what the typical profile of the Occupy Albany person is --- the FACT is that they damaged public property and have been allowed to violate all sorts of laws and ordinances --- we are a nation of laws and NO ONE is above the law. That goes for demonstrators and that goes for mayors and district attorneys who refuse to uphold the laws that they took an oath to uphold.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
I really don't care what the typical profile of the Occupy Albany person is --- the FACT is that they damaged public property and have been allowed to violate all sorts of laws and ordinances --- we are a nation of laws and NO ONE is above the law. That goes for demonstrators and that goes for mayors and district attorneys who refuse to uphold the laws that they took an oath to uphold.
you are that one mouse in the maze who just begs the master to create more turns and dead ends as long as there are little pieces of cheese lying about for you
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
you are that one mouse in the maze who just begs the master to create more turns and dead ends as long as there are little pieces of cheese lying about for you
"I went to SUNY Albany, got a degree is psychology, I live in downtown Albany with my boyfriend of over four years, Andrew (a guitar instructor and music teacher in Bethlehem)"
Well, there's the first two poor decisions.
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"Occupy to say that corporations are not people, and that we want health care coverage for every American."
..."we want sustainable jobs with livable wages and benefits."
"We don’t have all the solutions yet, but we are calling attention to the problems"
These are the the words of a Marxist, she's just to stupid to realize she's a Marxist. She has a list of demands that she WANTS, and doesn't know how to get them besides joining the mob and camping in the streets complaining. Maybe she should find the solutions to her problem first before sitting there and whining. Her boyfriends a union public school teacher, maybe he can clue her in.TIC
This idiot just wrote an entry on the TU website from a computer with internet access. Yet she wants a livable wage?
Box, please pass this Communist Manifesto Summary to the person that entered this TU blog. It may help her crystalize her thought and how to attain her solutions with her fellow Marxists.
The Communist Manifesto reflects an attempt to explain the goals of Communism, as well as the theory underlying this movement. It argues that class struggles, or the exploitation of one class by another, are the motivating force behind all historical developments. Class relationships are defined by an era's means of production. However, eventually these relationships cease to be compatible with the developing forces of production. At this point, a revolution occurs and a new class emerges as the ruling one. This process represents the "march of history" as driven by larger economic forces.
Modern Industrial society in specific is characterized by class conflict between the bourgeoisie and proletariat. However, the productive forces of capitalism are quickly ceasing to be compatible with this exploitative relationship. Thus, the proletariat will lead a revolution. However, this revolution will be of a different character than all previous ones: previous revolutions simply reallocated property in favor of the new ruling class. However, by the nature of their class, the members of the proletariat have no way of appropriating property. Therefore, when they obtain control they will have to destroy all ownership of private property, and classes themselves will disappear.
The Manifesto argues that this development is inevitable, and that capitalism is inherently unstable. The Communists intend to promote this revolution, and will promote the parties and associations that are moving history towards its natural conclusion. They argue that the elimination of social classes cannot come about through reforms or changes in government. Rather, a revolution will be required.
The Communist Manifesto has four sections. In the first section, it discusses the Communists' theory of history and the relationship between proletarians and bourgeoisie. The second section explains the relationship between the Communists and the proletarians. The third section addresses the flaws in other, previous socialist literature. The final section discusses the relationship between the Communists and other parties.
These are the the words of a Marxist, she's just to stupid to realize she's a Marxist. She has a list of demands that she WANTS, and doesn't know how to get them besides joining the mob and camping in the streets complaining. Maybe she should find the solutions to her problem first before sitting there and whining. Her boyfriends a union public school teacher, maybe he can clue her in.TIC
This idiot just wrote an entry on the TU website from a computer with internet access. Yet she wants a livable wage?
Box, please pass this Communist Manifesto Summary to the person that entered this TU blog. It may help her crystalize her thought and how to attain her solutions with her fellow Marxists.
The Communist Manifesto reflects an attempt to explain the goals of Communism, as well as the theory underlying this movement. It argues that class struggles, or the exploitation of one class by another, are the motivating force behind all historical developments. Class relationships are defined by an era's means of production. However, eventually these relationships cease to be compatible with the developing forces of production. At this point, a revolution occurs and a new class emerges as the ruling one. This process represents the "march of history" as driven by larger economic forces.
Modern Industrial society in specific is characterized by class conflict between the bourgeoisie and proletariat. However, the productive forces of capitalism are quickly ceasing to be compatible with this exploitative relationship. Thus, the proletariat will lead a revolution. However, this revolution will be of a different character than all previous ones: previous revolutions simply reallocated property in favor of the new ruling class. However, by the nature of their class, the members of the proletariat have no way of appropriating property. Therefore, when they obtain control they will have to destroy all ownership of private property, and classes themselves will disappear.
The Manifesto argues that this development is inevitable, and that capitalism is inherently unstable. The Communists intend to promote this revolution, and will promote the parties and associations that are moving history towards its natural conclusion. They argue that the elimination of social classes cannot come about through reforms or changes in government. Rather, a revolution will be required.
The Communist Manifesto has four sections. In the first section, it discusses the Communists' theory of history and the relationship between proletarians and bourgeoisie. The second section explains the relationship between the Communists and the proletarians. The third section addresses the flaws in other, previous socialist literature. The final section discusses the relationship between the Communists and other parties.
Of course she's a communist. She has to be a communist. No doubt about it. If Cicero doesn't understand it... then there has to be something sinister behind it... and Communist fits his agenda.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Of course she's a communist. She has to be a communist. No doubt about it. If Cicero doesn't understand it... then there has to be something sinister behind it... and Communist fits his agenda.
There is nothing sinister about communism, it's a political philosophy that some people believe in. Some young people that get caught up in a movement don't even realize they are spouting communist rhetoric because they are ill educated. At that point they are acting like sheep and mindlessly regurgitating what is being put into their heads. By this woman's own admission she doesn't have the solution to what ever she perceives as the problem. She is an empty canvas, vulnerable to communist propaganda.
The occupiers want to reallocate property aka MONEY from the "rich", "fat cat", "corporation", "Wall St.", or in marxist language, the bourgeoisie. They aren't hiding that fact. They are coming right out and saying it, and proudly. They are occupying public and private property because they believe property belongs to EVERYBODY and everybody has a right to it. This movement has all the markings of an attempt at a communist revolution.
Whatever they believe, they are beginning to act like the terrorists that the treasonous president of our country has encouraged them to be.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Whatever they believe, they are beginning to act like the terrorists that the treasonous president of our country has encouraged them to be.
Boxy continues to try to put lipstick on this pig. And bravo to DVR for his rejection of these smelly anarchists that have turned our park into an open air toilet. Boxy must have learned Constitutional Law from Dear Leader. There is no Constitutional right to destroy property. Reasonable time. place and manner restrictions on speech have been law for over 100 years.
There is nothing sinister about communism, it's a political philosophy that some people believe in. Some young people that get caught up in a movement don't even realize they are spouting communist rhetoric because they are ill educated. At that point they are acting like sheep and mindlessly regurgitating what is being put into their heads. By this woman's own admission she doesn't have the solution to what ever she perceives as the problem. She is an empty canvas, vulnerable to communist propaganda.
The occupiers want to reallocate property aka MONEY from the "rich", "fat cat", "corporation", "Wall St.", or in marxist language, the bourgeoisie. They aren't hiding that fact. They are coming right out and saying it, and proudly. They are occupying public and private property because they believe property belongs to EVERYBODY and everybody has a right to it. This movement has all the markings of an attempt at a communist revolution.
As usual, your conclusions have little to do with what I posted. It seems Conservatives are not comfortable in life with out a monster under the bed. Some evil, threatening, hostile force that is bent on sinister motives against the ole USA.
(I'm glad I don't live in that world of fear)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
As usual, your conclusions have little to do with what I posted. It seems Conservatives are not comfortable in life with out a monster under the bed. Some evil, threatening, hostile force that is bent on sinister motives against the ole USA.
(I'm glad I don't live in that world of fear)
Your post had no premise. It was a ad hominem attack. There are no conclusions to be drawn from ad hominem attacks. I was commenting on the woman's blog entry in the TU.
I never called communism or marxism a monster, that is your own interpretation of those words. I called it a political philosophy that some people believe and some anti capitalist would like to advance. Communism doesn't come swiftly with the Soviet Red Army marching down Main Street U.S.A with tanks and mobile missile launchers., rather it's a philosophy advanced through violent revolution against the "rich" capitalist, with the intent of reallocating property by using the force of the state.
It's you trying to create fear out of a post that had no intentions of scaring. If you don't like learning about the history of communist revolution, then close your eyes.
Wonder if there is trooper overtime being accumulated at this ongoing event. And if this will figure into any trooper pension padding if in fact that occurs at the trooper level.
Troopers put their life on the line every day. Unlike many jobs, overtime is mandatory and often occurs at the times when the rest of us are home with our family, and in the worst weather. Compared to many state and private employees, they earn their pension the hard way.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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Boxy continues to try to put lipstick on this pig. And bravo to DVR for his rejection of these smelly anarchists that have turned our park into an open air toilet. Boxy must have learned Constitutional Law from Dear Leader. There is no Constitutional right to destroy property. Reasonable time. place and manner restrictions on speech have been law for over 100 years. 
