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Box A Rox
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Brought to your by another Academic who hasn't spent a day in the private, non-academic workforce.

"lower income people pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes" Well, duh... thank you captain obvious.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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The Rebuttal!!!

I've witnessed this over and over again with Conservatives.  They will hear something that doesn't agree with their personal agenda.
They will find an  opposing OPINION, and they are again at peace.  The opinion can come from an expert, a politician, a "Glenn Beck     Type" personality, or just the bus driver and they accept his opinion and move on, as if this opinion outweighed all others.

An example:
Robert Reich posted his OPINION about the economy.  Robert is immediately disregarded as "another Academic who hasn't spent a    day in the private, non-academic workforce".  Case closed.
Who is Robert Reich?
He is an American political economist, professor, author, and political commentator, who has served in 3 presidential Administrations.
He attended Dartmouth College, graduating with an A.B. summa cum laude in 1968 and winning a Rhodes Scholarship to study Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Oxford University.
Reich subsequently earned a J.D. from Yale Law School, where he was an editor of the Yale Law Journa
From 1973 to 1974 he served as law clerk to Judge Frank M. Coffin, Chief Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, and from 1974 to 1976 was Assistant to the U.S. Solicitor General, Robert Bork. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed him Director of the Policy Planning Staff at the Federal Trade Commission.
From 1980 until 1992, Reich taught at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, where he wrote a series of influential books and articles, including The Next American Frontier and The Work of Nations. In The Next American Frontier he blamed the nation's lagging economic growth on "paper entrepreneurialism" -- financial and legal gamesmanship that drained the economy of resources needed for better products and services.
He has written 14 major books, most dealing with the economy.
Reich has some impressive credentials, so even though you don't agree with his political philosophy, i'ts obvious he is an expert in the field of economics.

Now the opposing view:
Andrew Klavan,  is an American author and screenwriter of "tough-guy" mysteries and psychological thrillers.
Klavan attended the University of California, Berkeley, but dropped out.  He is a successful commentator and writer.
Um... Wrote some books, plays & movies... Radio commentator who told Conservatives what they wanted to hear... Ahhh Pretty      much, that's it.

Either of these two men MAY be correct on their political observations.  One has a great deal of expertise in the field, the other, almost none... Most Americans would take into consideration the background of both men before coming to a conclusion... but (the point of my post) Conservatives DON'T.  As long as the speaker is polished and confident, they seem to take him at his word, while ignoring an expert in the field as... How was it worded??? Oh yea...
Just "another Academic who hasn't spent a day in the private, non-academic workforce.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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I'll listen to business people who have talked the talk and walked the walk before I listen to an "academic expert" who only talks...He is an expert on the field of "observation of economics" He has never started or ran a business, never experienced what makes a business fail or suceed

When you talked about someone dropping out of school, I thought of Steve Jobs..and Bill Gates....I guess it worked out for them


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Most Americans would take into consideration the background of both men before coming to a conclusion...


You mean like Obama?




"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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You mean like Obama?


YUP!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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I'll listen to business people who have talked the talk and walked the walk before I listen to an "academic expert" who only talks...He is an expert on the field of "observation of economics" He has never started or ran a business, never experienced what makes a business fail or suceed
When you talked about someone dropping out of school, I thought of Steve Jobs..and Bill Gates....I guess it worked out for them


Andrew Klavan is a guy who dropped out of school, and wrote a few books.  His opinion is valuable why???  
Klavan is a 'showman', a salesman, a pimp, who's job it is to sell an idea for which he gets paid.  
A Jack Welch, a Lee Iacocca, a Steve Jobs, could be cited as "someone in the private sector with expertise in economics or business". They would consider Robert Reich an expert in the field.

Andrew Klavan has the economic expertise of a shoe salesman or a pizza delivery guy.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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Andrew Klavan is a guy who dropped out of school, and wrote a few books.  His opinion is valuable why???  
Klavan is a 'showman', a salesman, a pimp, who's job it is to sell an idea for which he gets paid.  
A Jack Welch, a Lee Iacocca, a Steve Jobs, could be cited as "someone in the private sector with expertise in economics or business". They would consider Robert Reich an expert in the field.

Andrew Klavan has the economic expertise of a shoe salesman or a pizza delivery guy.  


When did I even MENTION Klavan?? BOX, you're having a bad day. This is the second post you misidentified in the same thread, I'm just saying I trust businessmen who have done it rather than someone who has theorized it. I'd love to see quotes from Jobs, Iacocca, or Welch that says Reich is an expert. But until I do, its just hearsay.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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When did I even MENTION Klavan?? BOX, you're having a bad day. This is the second post you misidentified in the same thread, I'm just saying I trust businessmen who have done it rather than someone who has theorized it. I'd love to see quotes from Jobs, Iacocca, or Welch that says Reich is an expert. But until I do, its just hearsay.


You didn't mention Klavan Tbird, but you responded to my post that was about him.  I only continued the theme.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Ok ok fine, Klaven wasn't the best pick for a rebuttal...Funny thing is you didn't say he was wrong either  

So you want someone with some 'street cred' in economics?

How about we start with Christina Romer...Remember, she jumped ship after her plan fail...err left because of 'family issues'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/05/AR2010080506682.html

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Christina Romer, chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, has resigned her post to return to her old job as an economics professor at the University of California at Berkeley, the White House said Thursday. Her resignation is effective Sept. 3.  

Romer, 51, is one of the nation's leading scholars of macroeconomic history and an expert on the Great Depression. She was tapped by Obama to serve as chief economist for the White House in November 2008 as the newly elected president was devising a response to a global economic panic.

Romer was instrumental in crafting the $862 billion economic stimulus package that Obama signed shortly after being sworn into office. She co-wrote a paper that predicted the stimulus would prevent unemployment rates from rising above 8 percent, a stance that has come under attack by Republicans who call the package a failure. Though most economists say the stimulus helped prevent a more severe economic crisis, the jobless rate has hovered near 10 percent and Romer's most recent forecast predicts that it will not drop below 8 percent until the end of 2012.




Yeah...How'd that work out for us again?

But wait...I'm sure you want something a little more recent.

Here's another 'professor of economics' that jumped shi...err resigned because his job 'might' have been in trouble is he stayed on.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/07/nation/la-na-0607-goolsbee-quitting-20110607

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Obama's chief economic advisor resigning
Austan Goolsbee, head of the president's Council of Economic Advisors, is returning to his University of Chicago post. His departure shakes up the White House team as the nation's recovery sputters.
June 07, 2011|By Peter Nicholas, Washington BureauReporting from Washington — Austan Goolsbee is stepping down as chairman of President Obama's Council of Economic Advisors, the White House announced Monday night, shaking up the economic team just as the recovery is sputtering.








"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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You mean like Obama?







When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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You mean like Obama?







When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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anyone from the 'learned' acadamia who ONLY work in PROTECTED BUILDINGS WITH DARK FURNITURE and nothing to worry about except what their tenure and vestiture and donors have fluffed up for them.....

the only taste of life in the grind of political/governmental 'caring' machinery was MAYBE when they washed dishes at some skanky strip club/gentlemens club.......JOKE

as is OReilly/Matthews and the rest of the bozos

ask why college tuition is so high......NOT BECAUSE OF WALLSTREET......go ahead and dig....I dare you to....same with public school system.....and same as it will be with national healthcare.....dig dig dig up the pipeline

it AIN'T wallstreet......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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