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No Cicero, you are confusing Occupy Wall Street with the actual Wall Street TeaBagginBankers.  


You do realize that wall street gave more money to Obama than any other presidential candidate...
Bush let Lehman brothers fail, Obama bailed the banks out. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?


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You do realize that wall street gave more money to Obama than any other presidential candidate...
Bush let Lehman brothers fail, Obama bailed the banks out. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?


I keep posting this over and over, but Cicero just doesn't get it.  

Cicero, you are entitled to your own opinions (usually lame) but you are not entitled to your own FACTS.
You just can't keep making up 'facts' as if they were true.  

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.

Like the rest of the failed Bush Policies, GWB created a mess, then left it to his successor to fix his disasters.  

President Obama was left with TARP in place and operating , like the Unfinished Bush Wars, and the Bush Economic Meltdown, TARP (Bank Bailouts) was a BUSH PROGRAM.



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I'm so happy that Obama has saved us by enacting the stimulus, omnibus, Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, war in Libya, ended those two evil Bush Wars and got the country out of debt, all hail to the king.
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I'm so happy that Obama has saved us by enacting the stimulus, omnibus, Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, war in Libya, ended those two evil Bush Wars and got the country out of debt, all hail to the king.


Shadow, he is trying to fix all the Bush Disasters, but the scale of the Bush Failed Presidency is beyond any in history.   The Obama presidency will be a success if in his 8 years in office, Obama can get the country back to where it was when GWB took office.


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Cicero, you are entitled to your own opinions (usually lame) but you are not entitled to your own FACTS.
You just can't keep making up 'facts' as if they were true.  

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.

Like the rest of the failed Bush Policies, GWB created a mess, then left it to his successor to fix his disasters.  

President Obama was left with TARP in place and operating , like the Unfinished Bush Wars, and the Bush Economic Meltdown, TARP (Bank Bailouts) was a BUSH PROGRAM.


I'm a little confused why you are addressing me and quoting 55tbird, but I'll answer...It would have been silly for Obama to end the TARP program since he voted FOR TARP as a Senator.  Obama has a voting record on TARP - he can't hide from it.

On the other hand, it WOULD make sense for him to bring the troops home from Iraq since he voted against it.  But he hasn't done that either.


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My Mistake... It's not easy keeping track of all the Conservative errors and misstatements  on this board... and occasionally I error    myself.  


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But I know the meaning of social justice.


What's the meaning of it, and when will it be achieved?  How do you know when it's achieved?


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My Mistake... It's not easy keeping track of all the Conservative errors and misstatements  on this board... and occasionally I error    myself.  


Just like , let me see...
Closing Gitmo
Getting ALL of our troops out of Iraq
Getting ALL of our troops out of Afghanistan
Stopping TARP
Wasting 800 billion on the Stimulus

Obama had a CHOICE on all of these and has to live with his decision (or non-decisions)
I don't have a horse in this race. But your REFUSAL to criticize Obama in any way just puts you in the same boxing ring as the conservatives you so often demean.



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Just like , let me see...
Closing Gitmo
Getting ALL of our troops out of Iraq
Getting ALL of our troops out of Afghanistan
Stopping TARP
Wasting 800 billion on the Stimulus
Obama had a CHOICE on all of these and has to live with his decision (or non-decisions)
I don't have a horse in this race. But your REFUSAL to criticize Obama in any way just puts you in the same boxing ring as the conservatives you so often demean.

My biggest criticism of Obama has been his approach of Bipartisanship.  There is no dealing with a rabid dog, you overcome it and    move on.  Reasoning with the Republicans has been Obama's biggest mistake.  He failed to grab hold of the opportunity in his first    two years in office... He acted like a civil Democrat... He should have acted like a TeaBaggin Rabid Republican and pushed his policy      regardless of Republican opposition.

~Obama kept his word and got combat troops out if Bush's Optional war in Iraq.
~ I gave Obama a year or maybe 18 months in Afghanistan... It WAS Bush's war... now it's his.  There is no reason to continue down the wrong road in Afghanistan... we should have began leaving Afghanistan in Obama's first two years in office.
~Obama care should contain a  public option, instead Obama (bipartisan again) caved.



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Neither the teabaggers, or the OWS movement are offering any solutions.
At least OWS know what they're mad about, whereas the teabaggers were just free form protesters taking advantage of a free vacation in Washington, compliments of the Koch brothers, who made $8 Billion last year, compliments of morons in Hoverounds holding up misspelled signs that read things like "KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE". and "BRING BACK MCARTHYISM. You know, that whole thing that throws you in jail if you complain about the government?

At least the protests of the 60s had clearly defined goals.
Pull out of Vietnam, end segregation, and old enough to go to war, but not to vote, needs to change.
None of those protests were all at the same time, and they seemed to work.

IT ALL CAME TO FRUITION.

OWS? Watch out for what you wish for, unless you have the so very, very complicated solution.

I've read how some of you (only the mentally deficient) have called OWS dirtbags.
Fact is, unlike the teabaggers, they are wiling to stick it out, as opposed to the AM radio fans that need to run back to their motel room to watch whatever moronic content is being shown on FOX (OH HEAVENS,HOW WILL I KNOW WHAT TO THINK!!!), or the Waffle House, every  3 hours.

Crap on a cop car? In Schenectady, it should be a standard hood ornament, that would represent the city very accurately.


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This is a video of a record that I had when I was 12 years old.
Scary part is, is that it's mostly still relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyGcXj84mE


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Quoted from Tommy
This is a video of a record that I had when I was 12 years old.
Scary part is, is that it's mostly still relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyGcXj84mE


I (naively) thought that the one good thing to come out of the Vietnam War would be an end to bogus optional wars.  With 10 years of war, 58,000 Americans and 3,000,000 Vietnamese killed, I assumed that there would be no more 'optional' wars in my lifetime.
Your video is still relevant today.



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Remember the White Shirted NYPD Cops clubbing and MACEing Occupy Wall Street Demonstrators, while other (blue shirted NYPD) had no problem with the peaceful demonstrators???

Wonder who OWNED those NYPD White Shirted Cops???
The "Taxpayers of NY of Course"... NO? Really?

It turns out those white shirted cops who were MACEing and clubbing Occupy Wall Street demonstrators actually were NOT TAXPAYER FUNDED NYPD COPS! They were Wall Street NYPD "Rent A Cops".

They are called the 'Paid Detail Unit'. New York Stock Exchange and Wall Street corporations order up a Patrol of White Shirted NY COPS with a mere phone call.

Wall Street pays an average of $37 an hour for a member of the NYPD, with gun, handcuffs and the ability to arrest. (The officer is indemnified by the taxpayers, not by Wall Street.)
New York City gets a 10 percent administrative fee on top of the $37 per hour paid to the police.

Civil Servants? More like Wall Street Bankers Servants.  


Cool story  bro!

So where are the links to back this up?






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Links:

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/who-really-owns-nypd-turns-out-its-no

http://jpmorris0000.newsvine.c.....ritarians-wouldnt-do



And:
What may shine the strongest light on the "Paid Detail Unit" is a class action lawsuit filed by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund over the hundreds of arrests made Oct. 1 on the Brooklyn Bridge. As a copy of the complaint shows, the defendants include not only        Bloomberg, Kelly and 30 NYPD officers:
There are also 10 unnamed law enforcement officers categorized as not employed by the department. What that means     isn't explained.
The officers in front of the battalion making the arrests, it says, were “white shirts.”


(Class Action Lawsuit)
http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/brooklyn-bridge-2011-class-action-filing.html


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....IQAPcQRYL_story.html

Iran says Wall Street protests are start of ‘American Spring’ that will topple capitalism
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By Associated Press, Published: October 9

TEHRAN, Iran — An Iranian military commander said Sunday that the protests spreading from New York’s Wall Street to other U.S. cities are the beginning of an “American Spring,” likening them to the uprisings that toppled Arab autocrats in the Middle East.

Gen. Masoud Jazayeri of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard said the protests against corporate greed and the gap between rich and poor are a revolution in the making that will topple what he called the Western capitalist system.


The Occupy Wall Street movement started in New York City last month and is spreading to other parts of the country. The loosely affiliated movement is peacefully protesting the power of the financial and political sectors.

Jazayeri said President Barack Obama’s election promises of change have reached a dead end.

“The failure of the U.S. president to resolve the Wall Street crisis will turn this economic movement into a political and social movement protesting the very structure of the U.S. government,” the official IRNA news agency quoted Jazayeri as saying Sunday.

“A revolution and a comprehensive movement against corruption in the U.S. is in the making. The last phase will be the collapse of the Western capitalist system,” he said, according to IRNA.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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