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rachel72
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All I'm saying is, we have a City with a HUGE lack of funds. We do have a crime issue and, in my opinion, $300K for paperwork is a waste.

And honestly, I don't care if it doesn't 'cost' the City anything, the fact remains that our police force doesn't need surveys - they need more equipment, more warm bodies and more security cameras around the City.

Does it really matter at the end of the day, after spending $300k on surveys what the population 'thinks' about the police?? No it doesn't!!

The National Institute of Justice awarded the department $340K - there has to be a better use for this money.
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police stop/checks have become the norm.....I wonder where all that ticket money goes.....just like the bottle deposit money.......


SHOW ME THE MONEY TRAIL.....SLUSH/SCAM


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So basically the police work for the insurance companies because the legislators legislate laws FOR the insurance companies and then we have no-fault which WE ALL PAY FOR.....so really it's a clusterF?

so I again wonder where those funds get deposited and what they are used for.......hhhhhmmmmm........The Alaskan Pipeline


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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The purpose of the survey was to ensure that the people who pay for police service - the taxpayers - are satisfied with the service they are paying for.  It really isn't that difficult a concept to grasp.   If you have a problem re: polkice service - the survey will allow that person to provide that feedback, which in turn the police say they will act on.  


When comparing the level of service versus the taxes paid, Schenectady would have to have the crime rate of an Amish Community to justify that cost.  If the SPD was invited to police an Amish community, the crime rate would go up because they would bring in more violent criminals than the Amish community has in the population.  

Police Survey = Useless and Silly.


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the police are trying to gather information to improve their service -- so the nayboobs complain that the police don't care what we think anyway


No...The police department is gathering information like a marketing firm does to sell a corporations product.  They are surveying people to find out how to market and justify a tax increase to them.   So when the report is complete, and it is determined by the 'experts' that the 'people' want a certain level of service, the police and politicians will then claim they will need more officers, more overtime in the budget, or new equipment, or whatever else to justify raising you taxes to meet the public’s demand.  With the information collected from the residents, the politicians can more easily market and present an argument in a way that persuades the public into accepting it.  

What's next, focus grouping?


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It is useless because each complaint as see by a civilian/victim..........will generate an opposing view by the police.

Again it will just become a 'he said, she said' argument.

Who will they believe....the victims or the cops? And who will make this decision?

Everybody already knows that when you call the spd...you get an answering machine where you have to leave your name and ## and they will 'get back to you'.  To me that is bizarre.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The money was awarded to the Finn Institute not the Department. Again, I cannot explain in it any simpler terms.

You do understand that this was not an either or proposition - customer service research  versus equipment, cameras, etc?
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The survey was brought to the Department and the City, it was not initiated by them.  It has to do with levela dn quality of service,
nothing else.


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The money was awarded to the Finn Institute not the Department. Again, I cannot explain in it any simpler terms.
You do understand that this was not an either or proposition - customer service research  versus equipment, cameras, etc?


According to the National Institute of Justice 2010 Fiscal Year Awards, most grant money went to "Forensics, DNA, solving cold cases" others were for "Forensics, DNA, backlog reduction" and "Crimes, electronic/cybercrimes".

There are many other worthwild grants that the department could have applied for. Other areas getting DNA reduction backlog and the City getting a $340K survey?
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The survey was brought to the Department and the City, it was not initiated by them.  It has to do with levela dn quality of service,
nothing else.


I agree, unfortunately in government, increasing the quality of service always requires an increase in funding, which ultimately means an increase in taxes.  The information on these surveys will surely be useful when selling the 'increase of quality' of service.  It may not be the intention of the Institute, but I will go out on a limb and say that it will be used by the highly political SPD to justify MORE money budgeted to the police department.


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The survey was brought to the Department and the City, it was not initiated by them.  It has to do with levela dn quality of service,
nothing else.


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The survey was brought to the Department and the City, it was not initiated by them.  It has to do with levela dn quality of service,
nothing else.


waste of time and money.


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Rachel

The money was awarded to the Finn Institute not the Department. Again, I cannot explain in it any simpler terms.

You do understand that this was not an either or proposition - customer service research  versus equipment, cameras, etc?


Visitor,

Thanks for the information -- but you must be forewarned people like Rachel and Cicero are NOT interested in the truth or facts  --- they live in their own misinformed world of conspiracy theories and constant negativity towards anyone who does not belong to the same party as they do


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I will repeat one last time for those who are capable or willing to understand.  

The Department did not apply for the funding.

The John Finn Institute applied for the funding then asked SPD if they would be willing to participate in the study.  
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Let me explain this to you Visitor so that you may understand:

If the Finn institute came to my police department with a $340K grant, I'd look into the Institute and see that they ALSO have a program for GANG ASSESSMENT. This program which is now in Syracuse under the guise of the Institute conducts a comprehensive gang assessment.

"This project will ultimately serve to support the development of data driven strategies (prevention, intervention and suppression) ....to address gang issues"

Schenectady needs to look before they leap. There is a tremendous opportunity within this institute for the police department - they just need to ask for it.
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