So tell me box, do you feel safer now that the federal government executed a U.S. citizen without due process for the vague informal charge of 'terrorism'?
Nope! But, America is much safer now that terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki has been killed.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
definition of terror could also be those mailings from National Grid month after month after month after month....telling me how much energy I use compared to my neighbors.....after looking at the F'EN bill and all the surcharges, fees, taxes I wonder which part I paid for that allowed the mailing to get to me??????
THAT'S F'EN TERRORISM
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
I can't believe any one even listens to Savage. (Garbage in, Garbage out)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
It's strange... The State of Georgie executed a (quite likely) innocent man last week... and there isn't a peep from the Right... But when the United States executes a guilty one, a terrorist who is a danger to this country... some on the Right are worried about a slippery slope.
Selective outrage?
I signed the petition to stop the execution because it bothered me that so many of the "witnessess" I believe 7 out of 9 recanted their testimony saying they were pressured by police. If there was any doubt the execution should never have happened.
As for the assassination we are NOT in any declared wars.
Havent read all the posts here, but didn't Biden even say the assassination was wrong?
I signed the petition to stop the execution because it bothered me that so many of the "witnessess" I believe 7 out of 9 recanted their testimony saying they were pressured by police. If there was any doubt the execution should never have happened. As for the assassination we are NOT in any declared wars. Havent read all the posts here, but didn't Biden even say the assassination was wrong?
IMO, the "declared war" issue is a separate issue. Most modern US wars have not been "declared wars"... but that has been the practice. GWB had used the term "war on terror" a million times, with no objection from his supporters, only when Obama is at war with terror, does the issue become a talking point.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Assassinations have been a practice in the USA for as long as we've been a country.
A list of prominent individuals whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of the Second World War: 1949 - Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader 1950s - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany to be "put out of the way" in the event of a Soviet invasion 1950s - Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life 1950s, 1962 - Sukarno, President of Indonesia 1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea 1953 - Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran 1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader 1955 - Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India 1957 - Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt 1959, 1963, 1969 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia 1960 - Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq 1950s-70s - José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life 1961 - Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, leader of Haiti 1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire) 1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic 1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam 1960s-70s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life 1960s - Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba 1965 - Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader 1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France 1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader 1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile 1970 - Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile 1970s, 1981 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama 1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence 1973-83 - Various Tupamaros in Uruguay (at behest of US) 1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire 1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica 1980-1986 - Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life 1982 - Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran 1983 - Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander 1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua 1984 - The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate 1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt) 1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq 1993 - Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia 1998, 2001-2 - Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant 1999 - Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia 2002 - Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord ... and many more, probably including American citizens.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The Obama administration has acknowledged it’s continuing a Bush-era policy authorizing the killing of US citizens abroad. The confirmation came from Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair in congressional testimony last week. (February 09, 2010) Blair told the House Intelligence Committee US forces can assassinate Americans believed to be involved in terrorist activity against the United States. Blair said, quote, “Being a US citizen will not spare an American from getting assassinated by military or intelligence operatives overseas if the individual is working with terrorists and planning to attack fellow Americans.” He added, “We don’t target people for free speech; we target them for taking action that threatens Americans.”
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
IMO, the "declared war" issue is a separate issue. Most modern US wars have not been "declared wars"... but that has been the practice. GWB had used the term "war on terror" a million times, with no objection from his supporters, only when Obama is at war with terror, does the issue become a talking point.
...Box, still looking backwards to justify the hope and change that never materialized...Your argument sounds like children pleading their case to their parents to justify their bad behavior. 'You let little Joey did it, he didn't get in trouble, so why can't I do it'. I have an idea for Obama's 2012 slogan - 'bait and switch'.
BTW Box, there are MANY Americans waking up and admitting to themselves that they were conned by GWB and the compliant media. That is why the Republican party is so fractured. We are beginning to see the Democrat party fracture also, just not as apparent since they are not running a primary.
This is why Ron Paul's candidacy is picking up steam. He is the only alternative to the current statist 2 party system. He has exposed FOX news, AM radio, and the rest of the neocons for who they are. And people are realizing they are not much different than those on the other side of the aisle. Conservatism is being redefined on the national level. It is no longer an alternate style of statism, but actually constitutionalism and free markets.
America's collective conscience is going through a transformation, and we are truly in the midst of a revolution that was sparked by Ron Paul. Whether he wins or not, the political landscape of America has changed. There will be MANY MORE candidates running for Congress that will be carrying the Ron Paul liberty and Constitution governing philosophy. This movement will not go away after the presidential election, regardless of the outcome.
Let's hope and pray these statists who occupy our government allow this revolution to occur peacefully and take its course through the election process without using the resources of the state and state controlled media to impede and intimidate this revolution.
OCTOBER 4, 2011 VETERANS FOR PEACE ISSUES POSITION STATEMENT ON US ATTACK IN YEMEN Coming soon to a neighborhood near you?
VETERANS DENOUNCE OBAMA’S CLAIMED AUTHORITY TO KILL ANYBODY HE WANTS TO, AS LONG AS THEY ARE OVERSEAS.
October 4, 2011
As of September 29, 2011, we are only one step away from a government where the top official can kill anybody, anywhere, any time he feels it necessary – and do it in complete secret.
With last week’s lawless killings of two U.S. citizens living in Yemen, Anwar Al-Awlaqi and Samir Khan, among others, President Obama took another step closer to that frightful day by assuming the roles of judge, jury and executioner. The two citizens were reportedly executed by a combined drone strike and the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden earlier this year.
Veterans For Peace believes these killings, which violated domestic and international law, expose yet another true cost of war – we can see our nation drift ever closer to the terrible waters of tyranny. The Obama administration claims evidence that shows Awlaqi and Khan were violent, implacable foes of the U.S. But isn’t one of our most basic beliefs, enshrined in our Bill of Rights, the principle that all accused deserve a fair trial and that all, no matter how dreadful the allegations against them, are innocent until proven guilty? The summary killing of two citizens without trial abandons that principle and charts a course to a totalitarian government.....................>>>>.................>>>>....................http://www.veteransforpeace.org/news_detail.php?idx=111
This is why Ron Paul's candidacy is picking up steam. He is the only alternative to the current statist 2 party system. He has exposed FOX news, AM radio, and the rest of the neocons for who they are. And people are realizing they are not much different than those on the other side of the aisle. Conservatism is being redefined on the national level. It is no longer an alternate style of statism, but actually constitutionalism and free markets. America's collective conscience is going through a transformation, and we are truly in the midst of a revolution that was sparked by Ron Paul. Whether he wins or not, the political landscape of America has changed. There will be MANY MORE candidates running for Congress that will be carrying the Ron Paul liberty and Constitution governing philosophy. This movement will not go away after the presidential election, regardless of the outcome. .
You may see Ron Paul's candidacy as Picking Up Steam... but I don't. He is still a fringe candidate, with 5-15% popularity. One thing that Ron Paul does have is a very enthusiastic base. It's like a cheering section... very noisy and attracts a lot of attention, but that's it.
While the Paulies here see Ron Paul as an alternative to the Democrats or Republicans, many voters see Ron Paul as an anti war Republican. This board is slanted far to the Paul cheering section, so far that it's now trying to distance itself from Republicans.
Clinton moved the Democrats to the middle, and both the country and the Democrats did well. At the same time, Republicans moved the country to the FAR RIGHT. What passes today as "Republican Values" would be foreign to mainstream Republicans for most of my life. Republicans were traditionally fiscal conservatives... Today it's Cut Tax Republicans. Republicans always supported people projects... museums, Planned Parenthood, Veterans, Seniors, the arts... Today it's Cut Tax Republicans. Republicans were always 'statesmen', believers in the process and procedure... Today it's "YOU LIE".
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ron Paul: US could target journalists for killing By PHILIP ELLIOTT - Associated Press | AP – 37 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential contender Ron Paul on Wednesday suggested that the United States could assassinate journalists the same way it targeted Americans with ties to al-Qaida. The Texas congressman again criticized President Barack Obama for approving last week's drone strikes in Yemen against a U.S. citizen who was tracked and executed based on secret intelligence that linked him to two failed terrorist attacks against the U.S. An American-born propagandist also died in the bombing. Escalating his criticism, Paul told a National Press Club luncheon that if citizens do not protest the deaths, the country will start adding reporters to its list of threats that must be taken out. "Can you imagine being put on a list because you're a threat? What's going to happen when they come to the media? What if the media becomes a threat? ... This is the way this works. It's incrementalism," Paul said. "It's slipping and sliding, let me tell you." Anwar al-Awlaki, the target of the U.S. drone attack, was one of the best-known al-Qaida figures after Osama bin Laden. American intelligence officials had linked him to two thwarted attacks on U.S.-bound planes, an airliner on Christmas 2009 and cargo planes last year. The second American killed in the drone attack, Samir Kahn, was the editor of Inspire, a slick online magazine aimed at al-Qaida sympathizers in the West. Paul likened the pair to German officials who carried out the Holocaust but were still given trials. "All the Nazi criminals were tried. They were taken to court and then executed," Paul said. "The reason we do this is because we want to protect the rule of law." Paul, making his second run for the Republican presidential nomination, has built a die-hard following among the GOP's libertarian wing and has worked to court anti-war conservatives.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Secret U.S. Memo Made Legal Case to Kill a Citizen By CHARLIE SAVAGE
The memo, written last year, followed months of extensive interagency deliberations and offers a glimpse into the legal debate that led to one of the most significant decisions made by President Obama — to move ahead with the killing of an American citizen without a trial.
The secret document provided the justification for acting despite an executive order banning assassinations, a federal law against murder, protections in the Bill of Rights and various strictures of the international laws of war, according to people familiar with the analysis. The memo, however, was narrowly drawn to the specifics of Mr. Awlaki’s case and did not establish a broad new legal doctrine to permit the targeted killing of any Americans believed to pose a terrorist threat.
The Obama administration has refused to acknowledge or discuss its role in the drone strike that killed Mr. Awlaki last month and that technically remains a covert operation. The government has also resisted growing calls that it provide a detailed public explanation of why officials deemed it lawful to kill an American citizen, setting a precedent that scholars, rights activists and others say has raised concerns about the rule of law and civil liberties.........................>>>>.........................>>>>.................http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10.....zen.html?_r=2&hp
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