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The Justice Department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the lethal targeting of Anwar al-Aulaqi, the American-born radical cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike Friday.

The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi,

The operation to kill Aulaqi involved CIA and military assets under CIA control. A former senior intelligence official said that the CIA would not have killed an American without such a written opinion.

The circumstances of Khan’s death were reminiscent of a 2002 (GEORGE WORST BUSH) U.S. drone strike in Yemen that targeted Abu Ali al-Harithi, a Yemeni al-Qaeda operative accused of planning the 2000 attack on the USS Cole. That strike also killed a U.S. citizen who the CIA knew was in Harithi’s vehicle but who was a target of the attack.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....IQAx1bUAL_story.html


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I'm not sure I understand.  Are you in favor of a policy authorizing the assassination of American citizens?  But...you were against the indefinite detainment of foreign combatants.  We are living in dangerous times.  The statists from the establishment left and right are applauding these unpecidented actions by our federal government.  There is fundementally no difference between the modern liberal or neocon.  The rule of law is ignored in favor of total power for both.  


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All Americans should be outraged!!

And the American Muslims should be even more outraged!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi,

The operation to kill Aulaqi involved CIA and military assets under CIA control. A former senior intelligence official said that the CIA would not have killed an American without such a written opinion.


I'm pretty sure senior officials didn't dissent about the legality of assassination inside the Chinese, North Korean, Iranian, and the old Soviet Union ruling parties.  

Box, I'm not joking, YOU ARE SCARING ME.  I've enjoyed the spirited debates since you've been on the forum, but your ability to flip on what I thought was your principles because of the presidents party affiliation shows poor character.  Please tell me you are posting this just for argument sake.


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Flip?  Cicero.  YOU ALWAYS GET IT WRONG!

You see a flip?


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Flip?  Cicero.  YOU ALWAYS GET IT WRONG!

You see a flip?


Well,,,yeah box...Your words not mine.  You've call water boarding a war crime and you've even claimed that allies and the US executed war criminals when you were stricken with Bush Derangement Syndrome.  Is assassinating an American Citizen a War Crime based on international law?  Or only if a Republican does it?  And I'm not aware of Bush authorizing the assassination of an American citizen.

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So there was no lie... and the Crime?
War casualties are NOT a crime.  They should be avoided but are not CRIMINAL.  Read the Geneva Conventions to find out  the difference between war casualties and  war crimes.

A WAR CRIME (like water boarding) torture, something that the US & it's allies have executed war criminals for, is quite different than casualties of war.
Since Obama didn't lie (Bush did) and you haven't offered even a hint of a war crime (Bush=Torture), you were quite right... You are wasting your time and mine.

http://rotterdamny.info/m-1301071265/s-41/highlight-torture+gitmo/#num41


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Torture is a war crime in Box's eyes, but assassination of an American citizen isn't because Obama lawyers agreed upon it.  I guess we can eliminate the justice system and trial by jury.

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President George W. Bush has canceled an event in Switzerland because of threats of arrest.

Several human rights groups filed criminal complaints against Bush, demanding that he be taken into custody for allegations of ordering torture.

A right-wing member of the Swiss parliament also demanded Bush's arrest on war crimes.





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So show me... IS killing an enemy combatant, regardless of nationality, a war crime...while in the active act of planning or carrying out acts of war against the USA, is an American allowed to plot, and carry out another WTC attack and be immune from US military action?

Apparently Cicero thinks so.




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Believe me box, it's not only me that thinks this.  
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Believe me box, it's not only me that thinks this.  
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LMAO!  It's not ONLY YOU???  So let me guess... the entire staff at Fixed Snooze is also in agreement?

I find it interesting that you are only opposed to this action under Obama, not under George Worst Bush.  Not a great creditability issue.


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I find it interesting that you are only opposed to this action under Obama, not under George Worst Bush.  Not a great creditability issue.


I find it interesting that you support international war crimes under Obama that you opposed under Bush.  I've denounced Bush MANY times, on many different issues.  You on the other hand...


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I find it interesting that you support international war crimes under Obama that you opposed under Bush.  I've denounced Bush MANY times, on many different issues.  You on the other hand...


You keep making charges, but won't post them.  Show me??? The international war crime of torture can be found in the Geneva convention. Mistreatment of prisoners at Gitmo... a war crime. Again the Geneva Convention.  The USA has tried others for torture of prisoners.

The international war crime you charge against Obama is???  Show me the crime?  Where can I read it?



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So show me... IS killing an enemy combatant, regardless of nationality, a war crime...while in the active act of planning or carrying out acts of war against the USA, is an American allowed to plot, and carry out another WTC attack and be immune from US military action?


There is a 99% chance this guy was a terrorist, saying that though as an American he does/did have a right to defend himself in court against these accusations. The president is not the judge, jury, and executioner, he has no such power to make such a move, this is just one more chip knocked off the pillars of our Republic   The sad part is most Americans agreed with this assassination, giving up liberties for security is still the biggest threat to us and is the main reason we our not a free country any more. History has shown examples are made by starting out these acts on the most vilified and hated people before eventually making its way to the common masses.

So if this guy was assassinated because the government labeled him a terrorist or threat what do you think can happen to those other Americans the government labeled possible threats. Biden called the Tea Party terrorists, DHS labeled Libertarians, military veterans, constitutionalist, 3rd party backers terrorists and possible threats.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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