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CICERO
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How do I know the population of the world???  Is that your question?


How do you know what the earth sustainability is?


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Don't worry Cicero....Roxy and his gang of Communists had it all figured out while no one was looking....


Schenectady County Legislature

RESOLUTION 42-09
Sponsored by Legislator Savage:

A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A CLIMATE SMART COMMUNITY PLEDGE

BE IT ENACTED, by the Legislature of the County of Schenectady, as follows:

WHEREAS, this Governing Body finds that climate change, which is primarily due to the burning of fossil fuels, poses a real and increasing threat to our
local and global environments; and

WHEREAS, this Governing Body finds that the effects of climate change will endanger our infrastructure, economy and livelihoods; harm our farms, orchard, and ecological communities, including native fish and wildlife populations; spread invasive species and exotic diseases; reduce drinking water supplies and recreational opportunities; and pose health threats to our residents; and

WHEREAS, this Governing Body finds that our response to climate change should be to build: livable, energy-independent and secure communities, healthy and safe schools, and resilient infrastructure; and

WHEREAS, this Governing Body finds that the magnitude of greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions reductions needed for climate stabilization will require sustained and substantial efforts; and

WHEREAS, this Governing Body finds that dramatic reductions in greenhouse gas emissions would still require communities to adapt to the effects of
climate change for decades to come; and

WHEREAS, this Governing Body has already begun to address climate change through the adoption of six resolutions in calendar year 2008 (Resolutions
65-08, 66-08, 67-08, 68-08, 69-08 and 70-0; and

WHEREAS, the Schenectady County Environmental Advisory Council (SCEAC), at its March 23, 2009 meeting, passed a resolution requesting this Governing Body to adopt a Climate Smart Community Pledge on behalf of all the residents of the County; and

WHEREAS, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation is encouraging municipalities to adopt a Climate Smart Community Pledge in
honor of this year’s Earth Day; now, therefore be it
  
RESOLVED, that Schenectady County, in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to a changing climate, will:

1.     Pledge to combat climate change by becoming a climate smart community;

2.     Set goals to reduce carbon emissions, and act to implement those goals;

3.     Decrease energy demand for county governmental operations;

4.     Utilize renewable energy for county governmental operations where feasible;

5.     Realize benefits of recycling and other climate smart solid waste management practices;

6.     Promote climate protection through community land use planning;

7.     Plan for adaptation to unavoidable climate change;

8.     Support a green innovation economy;

9.     Inform and inspire the public; and

Commit to an evolving process.  
4/14/2009:          Reported from Committee on Rules (R21)
4/14/2009:          Adopted by the County Legislature

Ayes:     12     (Dagostino, DiCerbo, Fields, Finn, Hughes, Jasenski, Johnson, McDonald, Petta, Santabarbara, Savage,
                                                 Suhrada)
Nays:      2     (Buhrmaster, Farley)
Absent:      1     (Gordon)      
Abstained:     0      
Excused:        0      

____________________________________________________________________
Resolution 42-09

STATE OF NEW YORK     }
County Legislature          }
County of Schenectady     }

          I have compared the preceding copy with the original resolution adopted by the Schenectady County Legislature at a meeting held
April 14, 2009 on file in this office, and I do HEREBY CERTIFY the same to be a correct transcript therefrom in the whole of the original.

          WITNESS my hand and the seal of the Schenectady County Legislature at the City of Schenectady this 15th day of April, Two
Thousand Nine.


_____________________________
Geoffrey T. Hall, Clerk,
Schenectady County Legislature

In other words....SEIZE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND KILL CAPITALISM.
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How do you know what the earth sustainability is?


The sustainability of any ecosystem is limited. That is a scientific fact.
Balance is the key to keeping an ecosystem going.  The world is heading to an out of balance position.

  Population is one of the factors in regulating that balance.  Plague, war, nuclear disaster, etc could limit population, but since the dawn of man, his population has been growing at an increasing rate.   The limit may be 7 billion, or 14 billion or 30 billion, but there is a limit to the sustainability of the system.




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Don't worry Cicero....Roxy and his gang of Communists had it all figured out while no one was looking....


Schenectady County Legislature

RESOLUTION 42-09
Sponsored by Legislator Savage:

A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A CLIMATE SMART COMMUNITY PLEDGE


Communists???  

Gadfly and his group support the following proposition:

"A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A CLIMATE DUMB COMMUNITY PLEDGE"



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Whatever the reason or excuse for defending abortion, logical or illogical ...............someone MUST speak up for the  most vulnerable and innocent in society.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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IMO yes.  There is a huge problem of girls (and boys) with insufficient family planning knowledge. (Bristol Palin) Many of these kids are in families who will never discuss anything about birth control or sex with their kids.  

PP is an important resource for kids looking for reliable information.  Knowledge is power... in this case, the power to make good decisions about their future.  Good decisions promote less unwanted pregnancies and less abortion.


There has been 40+ years of PP and Sex Ed taught in Public Schools and the number of abortions has gone UP.  Does that mean that the number of WANTED pregnancies has proportionately gone up?


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Whatever the reason or excuse for defending abortion, logical or illogical ...............someone MUST speak up for the  most vulnerable and innocent in society.


YUP!  Some one must speak up for those who have no political voice... teenage girls, the poor, a mental patient who's raped in an institution and forced to give birth, a woman at high risk of dying if she becomes pregnant.

Who speaks for them??? Certainly not the Conservatives.
Conservatives are too busy for them... they are busy defending a clump of human cells with no body, no brain and calling them "people".



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The sustainability of any ecosystem is limited. That is a scientific fact.
Balance is the key to keeping an ecosystem going.  The world is heading to an out of balance position.


You don't know the balance but you know it's heading out of balance.  Is it possible there isn't enough people on earth?  If the world population was heading from 7 Billion to 6 Billion, would that be heading TOWARD a more balanced earth?  Was there more or LESS poverty and starvation when the world population was LESS that 7 Billion, say 200 years ago?


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There has been 40+ years of PP and Sex Ed taught in Public Schools and the number of abortions has gone UP.  Does that mean that the number of WANTED pregnancies has proportionately gone up?


The number of abortions in the USA per year...
1977         1,316,700        
1978         1,409,600        
1979         1,497,700        
1980         1,553,900      
1981         1,577,300        
1982         1,573,900        
1983         1,575,000      
1984         1,577,200        
1985         1,588,600        
1986         1,574,000        
1987         1,559,100        
1988         1,590,800        
1989         1,566,900        
1990         1,608,600        
1991         1,556,500        
1992         1,528,900        
1993         1,495,000        
1994         1,423,000      
1995         1,359,400        
1996         1,360,160        
1997         1,335,000        
1998         1,319,000            
1999         1,314,800          
2000         1,312,990          
2001         1,291,000            
2002         1,269,000            
2003         1,250,000          
2004         1,222,100            
2005         1,206,200
2006         1,206,200
2006         1,206,200
(Guttmacher Institute Statistics)
With the increase of population in that time period, the number of abortions has risen, then decreased.  Not increased.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Assuming those numbers are correct.(Since it's a statistical anomaly 2004-2006 are EXACTLY the same)  do you believe less abortion is BAD because it contributes to world over population, or that less abortions are GOOD because it means MORE "wanted" pregnancies?  It's hard to pin you down on your position of whether you beleive PP and America's abortion policies are a sucess or a failure.


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Assuming those numbers are correct.(Since it's a statistical anomaly 2004-2006 are EXACTLY the same)  do you believe less abortion is BAD because it contributes to world over population, or that less abortions are GOOD because it means MORE "wanted" pregnancies?  It's hard to pin you down on your position of whether you beleive PP and America's abortion policies are a sucess or a failure.


Really Cicero...
You try to frame my opinion instead of taking my words for my opinion.

In a perfect world, there would be no abortions.
In a perfect world there would be no unwanted pregnancies.
In a perfect world every child would be wanted and loved.

The statistics show that abortions are not increasing as you stated.  As the population of the USA grows, it shows that the rate is probably dropping.

IMO, abortions should be safe, affordable and rare.  Eliminating the need for an abortion (such as good family planning and birth control) is what I would prefer.  One way to decrease the number of abortions would be to promote groups such as PP to provide birth control and education.  
I would much rather use tax dollars to provide birth control than to use tax dollars to support unwanted children born to women who wanted abortions that were unavailable or unfordable.

We both want the number of abortions in this country to be reduced or even eliminated.  I would prefer abortion to be rare because women no longer need them.  You it would seem, wold prefer that abortions were rare because women who needed them instead were forced to have babies.


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The statistics show that abortions are not increasing as you stated.  As the population of the USA grows, it shows that the rate is probably dropping.


You cherry picked your statistics.  Planned Parenthood began in 1916.  If you look at the years when the baby boomers were born, you will see a very LOW number of abortions.  Does that mean there is a whole generation of "unwanted" people?

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html


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Those that were fortunate enough to take their first breath out of the womb....can NOW speak for themselves.

No so with the innocent voiceless victims.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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You cherry picked your statistics.  Planned Parenthood began in 1916.  If you look at the years when the baby boomers were born, you will see a very LOW number of abortions.  Does that mean there is a whole generation of "unwanted" people?

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html


Cicero, I don't care about abortion statistics... I only posted them because you feared that they were growing every year... even your statistics show that they are not.  

You some how link the number of abortions to wanted children... and post about the baby boomer years...
Cicero... Abortions were illegal in the USA then.  I would doubt how anyone can find accurate numbers of abortions preformed then.
Admitting to an abortion was admitting to a crime in those years.

For all of human history, women have had babies... some wanted, some not... I doubt there is any reliable number of either.

Planned Parenthood started in 1916?  Abortions didn't.  Abortions were available before the time of Christ and have continued throughout most cultures across the globe.  Even before Christ, there was a desire to limit family size and prevent unwanted pregnancies.  Abortion is nothing new... but done right, it can now be a safe procedure, something that wasn't true for most of history.

One more point... while abortion only became available and safe in the USA with Roe v Wade, abortions were always available to wealthy women in the USA.  Poor and middle class women finally got the same benefit as the wealthy with Roe V Wade.



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Those that were fortunate enough to take their first breath out of the womb....can NOW speak for themselves.
No so with the innocent voiceless victims.


Those that are fortunate enough to take their first breath out of the womb are human beings. In America, they are then American citizens and afforded every right of any other citizen.  


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