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Warren asks "who paved the roads so the factory can ship their goods to market?"  Does Warren ever ask, where does the money to pave the roads come from?  Without a factory producing goods, you don't need the roads and services that support the factory.  These people are SCARY.


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Elizabeth Warren, the next Senator from Massachusetts!  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Elizabeth Warren, the next Senator from Massachusetts!  


I don't disagree there, she is of the Tax-a-chusetts brand.


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Black gold paves the roads in America.....duh


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Warren asks "who paved the roads so the factory can ship their goods to market?"  Does Warren ever ask, where does the money to pave the roads come from?  Without a factory producing goods, you don't need the roads and services that support the factory.  These people are SCARY.


Watch the video again... I think you missed (or ignored) the point.

The taxpayers paved the roads, provided the fire and police protection, and infrastructure so that an entrepreneur can open a factory and start a business.
Once successful, the business owes a debt to the taxpayers who educated his workforce, and provided the essential services, power, water, communications etc. needed to open and run a factory.





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There were successful factories when the roads were still made of dirt. There were coal mines in Virginia long before there was a railroad to haul the coal to market. Did the government build the first railroads or were they built by the rich who took a chance that they would succeed. Did the government build the steam boats to improve travel, did the government invent the farm machinery to harvest the farmers crops, and did the government find oil and learn how to pump it from the ground? The government owes a debt to all those with vision who helped to make this country the greatest country in the world. Now all the government does is to regulate businesses into bankruptcy. The government should stick to those duties that were given to it by the Constitution.
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our mistake in our society is giving a business the title of personhood......

no one has to support the business....the only reason we do is because we like to trade with money....if we bartered it would be even.....trading with money makes it so I dont have to clean out a pigpen/muck a stall/ get hard calloused hands
working the field/teach the kids etc etc......

so yup we all chip in our 'fair share' of which we are very inept at deciding what that is, but when there are government entities that grow so big that the government itself becomes a cancerous tumor on our backs then why even bother...
just sit down and wait, dont attempt to start a business that partakes in money trade, the government will provide anyhow "equally"....if it wants my blood we might just as well sit down and let it suck us dry....

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need,"


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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There were successful factories when the roads were still made of dirt. There were coal mines in Virginia long before there was a railroad to haul the coal to market. Did the government build the first railroads or were they built by the rich who took a chance that they would succeed. Did the government build the steam boats to improve travel, did the government invent the farm machinery to harvest the farmers crops, and did the government find oil and learn how to pump it from the ground? The government owes a debt to all those with vision who helped to make this country the greatest country in the world. Now all the government does is to regulate businesses into bankruptcy. The government should stick to those duties that were given to it by the Constitution.


Pretty much, business located where there ALREADY WAS INFRASTRUCTURE, usually built by the government.
With out the canal systems, Pennsylvania coal could not be shipped at a reasonable price.

The Erie Canal, govt built,  provided cheap transportation when roads were no more than dirt paths.
The Railroad, was often a joint venture of business & government.
The Interstate highways that move most US trucking, was government built.

The end result of government financed infrastructure that draws business, is a vibrant economy where everyone benefits.  
Many factory towns along the Mohawk owe their existence to cheap transportation, by rail barge or truck financed by the US or state government.

Fire police, water, sewer, electricity, roads, rail, barge, communications, an educated workforce... essential to most factories, were paid for by TAXPAYER DOLLARS.





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but the transportation business was taken hostage by the 'Hoffas' of our time.....and transportation gained not ONE head but TWO heads both dipping in the $$$ and scooping out.......

so as far as infrastructure,,,,I cant afford the guaranteed pensions, wasted job watchers, entitlements galore on my back.....

so let's see if at the table we can be-head  the two monsters that are eating us alive.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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