Don't kid yourself boxy.............THERE ARE NO RULES IN WAR!!! War is a horrific part of life...but a part of it just the same. You can't make rules on how to 'kill' or 'not kill' people!!! You can't make a rule to not 'hate'....cause that is really what it boils down to.....HATE!!! And after the government is done brainwashing it's citizens into thinking one culture/country is 'dangerous' and is looking to kill your family or take your freedoms or your way of life away.......yup....you 'hate' them. It riles the protective animal instinct that rises to all measures to PROTECT!!! HENCE..............a preplanned war!!!
Torture? Don't kid yourself boxy....that is just smoke and mirror rhetoric to get your mind off the 'real issues' that they don't want you to even think about!! They want their soldiers going off to a war thinking that they won't be senselessly killed or tortured.....BECAUSE THERE IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS SO!!!!
That is soooooooooooooo unrealistic and misguided!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Don't kid yourself boxy.............THERE ARE NO RULES IN WAR!!! War is a horrific part of life...but a part of it just the same. You can't make rules on how to 'kill' or 'not kill' people!!! You can't make a rule to not 'hate'....cause that is really what it boils down to.....HATE!!! And after the government is done brainwashing it's citizens into thinking one culture/country is 'dangerous' and is looking to kill your family or take your freedoms or your way of life away.......yup....you 'hate' them. It riles the protective animal instinct that rises to all measures to PROTECT!!! HENCE..............a preplanned war!!!
Torture? Don't kid yourself boxy....that is just smoke and mirror rhetoric to get your mind off the 'real issues' that they don't want you to even think about!! They want their soldiers going off to a war thinking that they won't be senselessly killed or tortured.....BECAUSE THERE IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS SO!!!!
That is soooooooooooooo unrealistic and misguided!!
Bumble You are posting about something you know nothing about.
The US Marine Corps teaches a very strict code of conduct in war. Even to the point of disobeying an order if it would entail a crime. With out a strict set of guidelines... or a code of conduct, or rules of engagement, we become like them. Once there are no rules about killing civilians... we are the terrorists. Once we torture... we become as godless as they are. Once we abandon a personal code of our own conduct... We become what we seek to destroy.
In war more than most other places, a very clear, concise, well defined set of directives is essential to operate an effective military.
Here's a sample:
U.S. Military Use Of Force Continuum
The Marine Corps Close Combat Manual (MCRP 3-02B) presents a “Continuum of Force” broken down as follows:
Level 1: Compliant (Cooperative). The subject responds and complies to verbal commands. Close combat techniques do not apply. Level 2: Resistant (Passive). The subject resists verbal commands but complies immediately to any contact controls. Close combat techniques do not apply. Level 3: Resistant (Active). The subject initially demonstrates physical resistance. Use compliance techniques to control the situation. Level three incorporates close combat techniques to physically force a subject to comply. Techniques include: Come-along holds, Soft-handed stunning blows, Pain compliance through the use of joint manipulation and the use of pressure points. Level 4: Assaultive (Bodily Harm). The subject may physically attack, but does not use a weapon. Use defensive tactics to neutralize the threat. Defensive tactics include Blocks, Strikes, Kicks, Enhanced pain compliance procedures, Impact weapon blocks and blows. Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force). The subject usually has a weapon and will either kill or injure someone if he/she is not stopped immediately and brought under control. The subject must be controlled by the use of deadly force with or without a firearm.
Rules of engagement are most often decided upon by commanders and are created to carry out and fall in line with over-arching orders or goals from higher command. In order for this to be accomplished, commanders must manufacture rules of engagement that will not violate the trust of the local population, but will instead foster a relationship of respect and understanding.
You may not find them important Bumble, but believe me, the Marine Corps does.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
War is the ultimate breakdown of civilized society, yet we believe there are "rules". These rules were written by men(politicians) than never intend to put themselves in a position to see if they would be followed. Geneva Convention is an opiate, giving the soldier faced with a hopeless situation of war and its chaos, a sense of hope and order.
Saying our policy of torture puts our soldier around the world in danger is totally missing the mark. It's our policy of stationing soldiers around the world and committing them to conflicts without clear objectives is what puts them in danger.
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