Richmor role in torture should be investigated Sunday, September 11, 2011 By Daniel T. Weaver
Richmor Aviation operates out of Schenectady County Airport, Dutchess County Airport and Columbia County Airport, where it maintains its headquarters; and while we don’t know the exact details of the passengers picked up on the extraordinary rendition flights Richmor took part in, we know from information gleaned from similar flights that they probably had sedatives pushed up their rectums, were placed in adult diapers and orange jump suits, were hooded, muffled and taken to secret prisons where they were tortured. We wouldn’t even know about Richmor’s involvement in the CIA’s rendition and torture program if it had not sued a Huntington, Long Island, flight brokerage firm, Sportsflight Airways, for failure to pay it approximately $1 million. More than 1,500 pages of documents from the recent Columbia County trial reveal a great deal about how corporations benefited from torture, how judges were concerned about the lawsuit but considered information about the rendition program irrelevant, and how Richmor Aviation at some point knew what it was involved in but apparently believed that profits were more important than human rights. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear a case brought by victims of the CIA’s rendition and torture program, but more than one court has been willing to hear Richmor’s grievances for not getting paid for its part in delivering men to the whips and waterboards of a secret worldwide network of CIA prisons............................>>>>.....................>>>>..............http://www.dailygazette.com/news/2011/sep/11/0911_weaver/
They hire Ricmor for Rendition flights? Very cool. I did business with them many years ago. I always liked their form. Rendition is absolutely needed in the covert war on terror. There are more ways then one to skin a cat, or a terrorist. However I subscribe to a much harsher and former code of military justice for terrorists, which is summary execution- which our country practiced in past wars when we had a government that wanted to WIN the war, not hand victory to terror through attrition. Of course sometimes we need to keep them alive slightly longer and that is where rendition comes in.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
It really doesn't matter what 'we' think on how terrorists or pow should be treated. The global community/governments have drawn up war rules to abide by. Are they abiding by these rules? If not, then they should have never signed on the dotted line agreeing to it....yes?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
It really doesn't matter what 'we' think on how terrorists or pow should be treated. The global community/governments have drawn up war rules to abide by. Are they abiding by these rules? If not, then they should have never signed on the dotted line agreeing to it....yes?
The USA signed and (before Bush) promoted the Geneva Convention as the Rule of Modern Countries treating prisoners.
According to one former POW (John McCain) torture by the USA endangers all US soldier sailor airman or marine in all future wars. I agree.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Did North Vietnam follow the Geneva Convention rules?
With out the Geneva Convention, our Vietnam War POW's would likely have been executed. Once they announced that they held a prisoner, the N. Vietnamese felt obliged to keep that POW alive to prevent war crimes trials after the war.
The North Vietnamese (Like George Worst Bush) had no problem torturing POW's. GWB circumvented the Geneva Convention by 'extreme rendition', sometimes torturing American citizens, and by classifying POW's as non combatants. The USA has punished other war criminals for the same torturing methods (waterboarding) that GWB used in Iraq & Afghanistan.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
But these terrorists who wear no uniform and fight under no flag of any nation-state belong to no organized military force and there are partisans, saboteurs and spies. They have no Geneva rights and never have. Were you willing to give Skorzeny's werewolves the same treatment? I am sure you were.
As with any issue, democraps are natural liars operating within a lexicon of lies. Reducing an increase is a "cut." An illegal alien invader who is here by stealth and steals an identity is an "undocumented worker." And a captured terrorist is a "POW." Obviously Box and other democraps, who are born liars and criminals, have no problem equating honorable soldiers doing their duty on a battlefield who have become prisoners of their enemy with the heinous sub-human terrorist that sneaks up in civilian clothes and blows up little school children with a home made bomb to further a radical and dangerous anti-western cause. Of course to democraps, anti-western is a compliment.
Democraps are liars, they want to start the conversation based on a lie as the premise. I am a hammer of the democrap because I have consistently been able to stand up and call them out as the liars they are, and I do not accept their premise. I will be bowed by their filthy and animalistic lies. Nor should anyone be. Stand up and hammer the democraps and never bow down or accept the preordained lies or the control of the political lexicon. They control all government bureaucracy, academe, corporate industry, the press, and the labor movements, even most of 'mainstream' religions. Do not bow down to their massive power. Stand up to their lies and clearly speak the truth.
The truth will make them wither.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
The reps are just as bad as the dems!! Throw the liberal media complex in and you have the perfect storm!!! The two party system has failed. The entire american system is failing. They have downgraded our credit rating, there are no jobs, there is no industry, we are $14TRILLION in debt with no way of paying for it, we now are home to a socialistic health care plan with no way topay for that, our private liberties have been trounced..............so it's not 'God bless americans'.......its 'God help americans'.
And yes.......screw the government for allowing us to get to this point!!! TIME TO GET THE 'SYSTEM' BACK TO WHERE IT WAS INTENDED!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Answer the question Box did North Vietnam follow the rules set forth in the Geneva Convention, did Japan, did Germany??
Did we during WWII? They were told......'take no prisoners'!!! And they didn't!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
There were violations of the Geneva convention by all countries in WW2 and probably in most wars. But the fact that there were violations does not negate the importance of the rules... with out which thousands more would have died.
Germany and the USA generally followed the convention. Red cross workers were allowed in both POW camps, and both sides realized that following the rules helped their own captured troops survive. Japan often followed the rules in one POW camp, but totally disregarded them in others.
If you consider that most countries understand that they will be judged following a conflict, by how they treated their POW's, many leaders opt to at least make an effort to comply.
Also consider that the Nazis had little aversion to mass slaughter of civilian prisoners, but treated Allied POW's generally according to the rules. IMO, proof that the conventions worked and saved US lives.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Indeed I have relatives who fought heroically in WW II. None of the current ilk of Republicans can say that, and none of them deserve even to have an opinion. They should be locked up!
My grandfather was in the Army during WWII. He injured his leg and met my grandmother (an Army nurse) and they were married soon after. Also, my father in a Vietnam Vet.
What the hell does being a DEM or REP have any bearing on this matter?
You've really hit a new time low GG.....
In my opinion, as a civilian, war is an enigma devoid of any 'gentlemen's agreements' or rules of conduct. It's not a football game with rules and procedures, and what you and I find barbaric in our safe society is status quo during war times. Countries are focused on survival, not being morally correct.
But these terrorists who wear no uniform and fight under no flag of any nation-state belong to no organized military force and there are partisans, saboteurs and spies. They have no Geneva rights and never have. Were you willing to give Skorzeny's werewolves the same treatment? I am sure you were.
As with any issue, democraps are natural liars operating within a lexicon of lies. Reducing an increase is a "cut." An illegal alien invader who is here by stealth and steals an identity is an "undocumented worker." And a captured terrorist is a "POW." Obviously Box and other democraps, who are born liars and criminals, have no problem equating honorable soldiers doing their duty on a battlefield who have become prisoners of their enemy with the heinous sub-human terrorist that sneaks up in civilian clothes and blows up little school children with a home made bomb to further a radical and dangerous anti-western cause. Of course to democraps, anti-western is a compliment.
Democraps are liars, they want to start the conversation based on a lie as the premise. I am a hammer of the democrap because I have consistently been able to stand up and call them out as the liars they are, and I do not accept their premise. I will be bowed by their filthy and animalistic lies. Nor should anyone be. Stand up and hammer the democraps and never bow down or accept the preordained lies or the control of the political lexicon. They control all government bureaucracy, academe, corporate industry, the press, and the labor movements, even most of 'mainstream' religions. Do not bow down to their massive power. Stand up to their lies and clearly speak the truth.
The truth will make them wither.
Some of Graham's "terrorists" were US businessmen who had dealings in Muslim countries. Their crime (and reason for torture? An actual terrorist used his legitimate business in the Arab world as a cover for terrorism... as a result he was tortured and left in prison for years.
For another example, watch the video:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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