You have no understanding of what the role of our government is Box, their job is to protect our liberties,... Your healthcare law even if the will of the people is a disgrace to our liberties and constitution, this is why democracies fail because they don't respect the minority and over rule them.
THEY DON'T RESPECT THE MINORITY... AND OVERRULE THEM... Aren't you describing Paul's opposition to civil rights? When the states didn't RESPECT THE MINORITY... AND OVERRULE THEM... with segregation... the Civil Rights act protected that Minority. Constitutionally the Federal Govt protects all it's citizens... but Paul would have left that minority unprotected, with no vote, no education, no justice. "all men are created equal"?
Maybe it's you that 'doesn't understand the role of Government.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
THEY DON'T RESPECT THE MINORITY... AND OVERRULE THEM... Aren't you describing Paul's opposition to civil rights? When the states didn't RESPECT THE MINORITY... AND OVERRULE THEM... with segregation... the Civil Rights act protected that Minority. Constitutionally the Federal Govt protects all it's citizens... but Paul would have left that minority unprotected, with no vote, no education, no justice. "all men are created equal"?
Maybe it's you that 'doesn't understand the role of Government.
Lame attempt as usual but it was the governments who passed the Jim Crow laws creating segregation, that my friend is a perfect example of the government not protecting our rights. So moving on to the civil rights act it just stripped more rights from us under the disguise of freedom, both times the governments screwed our civil rights but yet you want to follow and believe the lie
Funny you try to bring up civil rights and freedoms all the while are in support of Obamacare, can't have it both ways buddy.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Funny you try to bring up civil rights and freedoms all the while are in support of Obamacare, can't have it both ways buddy. Yea I can. Health care for all Americans is just as important as Military protection for all Americans and IMO are both the responsibility of the US GOVT.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Funny you try to bring up civil rights and freedoms all the while are in support of Obamacare, can't have it both ways buddy. Yea I can. Health care for all Americans is just as important as Military protection for all Americans and IMO are both the responsibility of the US GOVT.
Huh I wonder how the founders missed healthcare as a right when writing the Constitution, so let me get this straight if I run a private healthcare service I must accept everyone even if they can't afford my services? If a bum is starving to death then does he now have the right to break into your house and steal food and money because his health is at risk, yeah I didn't think so.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Huh I wonder how the founders missed healthcare as a right when writing the Constitution...
Not a great mystery... probably the same reason that they didn't a whole bunch of issues that didn't pertain then... For those who worship the 'slave owning' founding fathers... I wonder how they kind of looked the other way when their property MEN WOMEN & CHILDREN, were not even considered part of "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL". Not "ALL WHITE MEN" OR ALL MEN WHO I DON'T OWN" BUT A L L M E N. I guess you have no problem overlooking slavery but a big problem overlooking health care.
Health care was affordable then, and VERY BASIC. Cost was not as big an issue as competent providers. Of course if Dr Paul were running things... The medical profession could charge what ever they wanted... and you either pay or die. Very Conservative American values... since Conservatives represent the Rich... who cares if the poor have health care.
~Dr Paul's Travlin Medical Miracle Monopoly Money Show!~
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The class warfare argument is getting to be a very stale. Conservatives stand for working hard and being able to take care of themselves and their families with the money they earn, that's not rich it's self reliant. It's means that you provide health-care for your family not the government that couldn't run a lemonade stand and make a profit let alone lower the cost of running it. The government has never run anything that hasn't had serious problems that were caused by them, example Freddie and Fanny, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security and you think that they will be able to manage something as large as health-care, good luck with that.
Of course if Dr Paul were running things... The medical profession could charge what ever they wanted... and you either pay or die. Very Conservative American values... since Conservatives represent the Rich... who cares if the poor have health care.
Your right in a free market people would be able to charge what they want, however if they charge to much someone else will do it cheaper and put that person out of business. Now that the government is involved and will force people to buy insurance that eliminates competition, prices will skyrocket because they can then charge what they want and there is nothing to force them from competing, yeah that sounds like it would work
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
The class warfare argument is getting to be a very stale. Conservatives stand for working hard and being able to take care of themselves and their families with the money they earn, that's not rich it's self reliant. It's means that you provide health-care for your family not the government that couldn't run a lemonade stand and make a profit let alone lower the cost of running it. The government has never run anything that hasn't had serious problems that were caused by them, example Freddie and Fanny, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security and you think that they will be able to manage something as large as health-care, good luck with that.
Work hard and make money... Sounds good. But are you really doing all that working hard and earning all that money on your own??? You open a clothing store...buy wholesale, sell retail... ALL ON YOUR OWN. Well except for the railroad that ships your goods from NYC to Albany. And the roads for the trucks that deliver to your business. Who pays for those roads... Not you? Everyone. The guy who drives that truck helps pay, the guy who built your building he helps pay too. But You earned It all by yourself... BS.
Conservatives don't move into a desert and build wealth... they build on the work of others... but Conservatives claim to have DONE IT ON THEIR OWN. Their Education that we all pay for... Their security from the Police, their fire protection, their water, sewer, utilities... Of course they TAKE (and take and take and take) as any businessman would, but then they never want to give back to the next generation because... as you posted: "Conservatives stand for working hard and being able to take care of themselves and their families with the money they earn," and screw everyone else.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Conservatives don't move into a desert and build wealth... they build on the work of others... but Conservatives claim to have DONE IT ON THEIR OWN. Their Education that we all pay for... Their security from the Police, their fire protection, their water, sewer, utilities... Of course they TAKE (and take and take and take) as any businessman would, but then they never want to give back to the next generation because... as you posted: "Conservatives stand for working hard and being able to take care of themselves and their families with the money they earn," and screw everyone else.
WOW!! I'm almost speechless here!! Where to even begin.......It is apparent that you begrudge anyone who works hard for 'their private' money. Be it by owning a company or working for one. You believe that they should share their wealth or tax it at a higher rate and if they don't....screw you!! Am I following you correctly so far?
However, you see no problem with the government, such as pelosi and the likes of her (which is just about all of them)using tax paid jets, stocked with the best food and drinks, to fly their family all over God's creation? Or a problem with Michelle Obama and off spring, flying around the world (not on government business) using a tax paid jet? Not to mention the hundreds of maids, servants, cooks and security that are in tow.
How about at a local/state level, where government officials not only have access to private jets but to government cars and limousines and high priced, high end hotel rooms paid for with tax payer dollars? How about the fact that all government officials receive a tax paid salary AND tax paid life time benefits that are no where near equal to the private sector?
If you honestly believe that the wealthy are the problem with this country.........then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you........REALLY!!
Sorry boxy.......but by reading your posts, I don't think you have ever worked a 'hard day' in your life. And remember....it was your beloved government, not the wealthy folks that sent you off to the political war in nam.....back in the day!
WOW!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Nobody paid for my education but me and my family, no loans of any kind and I worked every summer to earn money for college. Private college not a state college. You're right the governments job is to provide police and fire protection, build and maintain infrastructure. We all support that by paying taxes to fund those programs. I got paid by the company I worked for and I paid my taxes on every dollar I made so the money I made is mine to do with as I wish. I invested wisely and had a nice nest egg put away when I retired We also raised 4 kids and the government didn't do a damn thing for me when times were tough or when I was out on strike.
Hey boxy ya still gonna back the liberal dems that created and supported and continued the political vietnam war and place all the country's woes on the wealthy?????
Vietnam War - Increased to real war under Democrat Kennedy, exploded into full out war under Democrat Johnson, lasted 15 years
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
We are all serfs. Thank you oh thank you liberal demoCRAPS how you shower us with your devine SH!T and how we all need to suckle your tee+
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Why can't we cut military spending? After all, Obama said as soon as he got into office, he was going to end the wars overseas. Are you saying that hasn't happened?
To sum up a few of the last posts, I'll quote Shadow:
~"We all support that by paying taxes to fund those programs. I got paid by the company I worked for and I paid my taxes on every dollar I made so the money I made is mine to do with as I wish."~
Shadow and others probably did pay their fair share of taxes... I know I sure did. Every dollar that I made as an adult I paid taxes on... no exceptions, every single dollar. I paid more tax per dollar earned than most companies and certainly more tax on every dollar that I earned than General Electric or Exxon or Dow Chemical... even today when I pay on Every Single Dollar, many of the giants of industry pay NOTHING. And... if you consider who pays for the infrastructure that large US companies need to survive... I PAY IT, they pay relatively nothing. In my lifetime, the USA has operated on a graduated tax rate plan. The more you made, the more you paid. When I got a raise my taxes would increase. My fair share. Somewhere along the line, Conservatives think that the more they make, the LESS they should pay. As I've quoted before on this board, Warren Buffet pays 17% tax rate... his secretary and office staff pay around 32%. Warren does nothing to hide or shelter his income. He told his tax lawyers to pay what ever the govt allows.
If Warren pays twice his secretary's rate, with no creative tax advantages... what does the average Millionaire or Billionaire pay, who employs an entire staff of tax lawyers??? 15%?... 7%??? 1%?
I've always paid my fair share of taxes... I don't want it any other way, and I'm happy to pay my fair share. The Rich don't pay their fair share of taxes... they want it that way...and even paying 10%, they feel that they are being cheated. (and unless this board is comprised of millionaires... the reason that they don't pay their fair share is the twisted Conservative logic posted above.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Hey boxy ya still gonna back the liberal dems that created and supported and continued the political vietnam war and place all the country's woes on the wealthy?????
Vietnam War - Increased to real war under Democrat Kennedy, exploded into full out war under Democrat Johnson, lasted 15 years
Bumble you really need to read a history book... and while your at it, read some newspapers of the era.
US military involvement in Vietnam began at the end of WW2. The French were broke and their military was in shambles, so they were in no position to fight an insurgency in their colony Vietnam. The USA started paying the bills of the war against Ho Chi Minh in the 40's... supported the French with military aid and supplies into the 50's, and finally when the French were defeated, the USA brokered a bogus peace agreement that split the country in two. Eisenhower, Kennedy/Johnson, Nixon all supported the war. The next 20 years of war there were an effort by the Vietnamese to continue to battle foreigners in their country... the Japanese, the French and the Americans, with a pause, then against the Chinese. Finally, their country is their own. The vote to go to war was unanimous in the house and 88-2 in the Senate. From the mid 60's on, opposition to the war came from the Left, not from the Right. As the war drew on, Liberals and Democrats opposed the war, Conservatives and Republicans supported and continued the war. Much like today's Bush Oil War, it's very easy to go to war, but almost impossible to end it.
Much mile the WMD argument of the Bush Oil War, the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was based on Lies. The incident that gave the President the authority to to to war NEVER HAPPENED. Only two senators, Wayne Morse (DEMOCRAT-Oregon) and Ernest Gruening (DEMOCRAT-Alaska), voted against it. J. William Fulbright (Democrat-Arkansas), chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, assured senators that the resolution was NOT A DECLARATION OF WAR, and that the President would consult with Congress before expanding U.S. military efforts in Vietnam.
Many Conservative Republican supported the war to the end... Opposition to the war came from Liberals and Democrats.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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