Box the real truth is Obama is using the same system that Wimpy did with Popeye, I'll gladly take more money from you today and pay for them with spending cuts much later, if ever. It's the Dems oldest trick promise to make cuts in the future that never happen, the Reps got burned before on one of those deals. Fact: Obama has only put one thing in writing and that was a budget that couldn't pass in a completely Dem controlled House and Senate.
Obama offers cuts in Medicare and the GOP still won't ask one rich man to pay an extra dollar. Shows ya where their loyalty lies.
I could buy that if Reid and Pelosi were standing next to Obama nodding their heads, but they are not. Obama is just a signature at this point. Nothing happens unless something passes both houses.
I see no one, except for Ron Paul and I'm sure a few others, that cares about anything other than the next election cycle. The Dems promote class envy, blame the rich for all of the poor's problems, and make the poor believe another government check will make it all better. The pubs protect their Rich donors, and let the social conservatives dumb down the party. We need a sane third party in this country. Unfortunately, all the money is tied up with two sinking ships
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
A global war like WWII is only one of the two ways to fix the economy..............just like it did after the great depression!!
We borrowed to pay for WW2. Since then we've paid as you go for wars... Debt as a percent of GDP, dropped through Korea and Vietnam, but under George Worst Bush, we borrowed (mostly from China) to finance his two optional wars... Our debt is approaching what it was (in GDP) after we financed an entire World War! Borrowing to drop bombs will only put us farther in the hole.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ron Paul, Ron Paul RON PAUL... When you propose a Dem plan, this board says... The Republican Congress won't pass it. If the Republicans Propose a plan, this board says... The Democrat Senate won't pass it.
Yet any thing that this board's "King and Living God"... RON PAUL (pause to bow our heads), says WILL WORK.
If hell freezes over, and Paul is elected... Both the Democrat Senate and the Republican Congress WILL BE SQUARELY AGAINST RON PAUL... but that's different. If Paul were President... all of a sudden, this boards own arguments will miraculously disappear and Paul will Prevail!
(Can you seriously see that far ahead through the Fog of Ron Paul Hysteria?)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Ron Paul, Ron Paul RON PAUL... When you propose a Dem plan, this board says... The Republican Congress won't pass it. If the Republicans Propose a plan, this board says... The Democrat Senate won't pass it.
Yet any thing that this board's "King and Living God"... RON PAUL (pause to bow our heads), says WILL WORK.
If hell freezes over, and Paul is elected... Both the Democrat Senate and the Republican Congress WILL BE SQUARELY AGAINST RON PAUL... but that's different. If Paul were President... all of a sudden, this boards own arguments will miraculously disappear and Paul will Prevail!
(Can you seriously see that far ahead through the Fog of Ron Paul Hysteria?)
Please Box, take a Valium. I said NOTHING about Ron Paul running or becoming president. I just said his view is a refreshing change from the bullshit "lets make sure we get re-elected" mantra of BOTH parties. A third party and alternative ideas will TAKE TIME. And what you stated in the first 2 lines of your post is DEAD ON. There is no reasonable compromise anymore. Any compromise today is just for both parties to save face. The result is a ripping out of the good portions of the bill and leaving the sewage.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Ron Paul, Ron Paul RON PAUL... When you propose a Dem plan, this board says... The Republican Congress won't pass it. If the Republicans Propose a plan, this board says... The Democrat Senate won't pass it.
Yet any thing that this board's "King and Living God"... RON PAUL (pause to bow our heads), says WILL WORK.
If hell freezes over, and Paul is elected... Both the Democrat Senate and the Republican Congress WILL BE SQUARELY AGAINST RON PAUL... but that's different. If Paul were President... all of a sudden, this boards own arguments will miraculously disappear and Paul will Prevail!
(Can you seriously see that far ahead through the Fog of Ron Paul Hysteria?)
His plan would be to shrink government not expand it, his supporters want the government out of our lives and pockets.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
His plan would be to shrink government not expand it, his supporters want the government out of our lives and pockets.
What "President" Paul wants is irrelevant, with out support in the house and senate.
His views are a threat to both parties... neither party would support him except on very narrow issues. If Paul won't compromise (and he won't) then nothing will get done.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What "President" Paul wants is irrelevant, with out support in the house and senate.
His views are a threat to both parties... neither party would support him except on very narrow issues. If Paul won't compromise (and he won't) then nothing will get done.
Oh don't be too sure!! Once a politician knows that s/he will not get re-elected because they 'don't' go along with Paul....watch how quickly they jump on the 'ron paul train'!!! Just like the dems are jumping on the reagan train! It's all about votes boxy!!
Some potential candidates are already using 'paul jargon' after they saw the support paul is gaining!! They are ALL flip flopping hypocrites except for Ron Paul. He has stayed firm on his platform for decades!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Oh don't be too sure!! Once a politician knows that s/he will not get re-elected because they 'don't' go along with Paul....watch how quickly they jump on the 'ron paul train'!!! Just like the dems are jumping on the reagan train! It's all about votes boxy!!
Some potential candidates are already using 'paul jargon' after they saw the support paul is gaining!! They are ALL flip flopping hypocrites except for Ron Paul. He has stayed firm on his platform for decades!!
Paul is gaining support???? 1% increase? 2%??? For a candidate that needs 40% more just to survive? The TeaBaggers are driving this bus... and Paul doesn't even have a ticket to ride. The GOP is split between RINO's, Right Wing Believers, Traditional Republicans, and TeaBaggers... and so far, no one is gaining.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
What "President" Paul wants is irrelevant, with out support in the house and senate.
His views are a threat to both parties... neither party would support him except on very narrow issues. If Paul won't compromise (and he won't) then nothing will get done.
You need support of the houses to expand government not shrink it. Paul would have full control over our foreign policies since he would have control of our military. Domestic issues he could veto if he disagreed with it's unconstitutionality, the houses could try to over rule the veto but that would take months on a single issue and would end up in court, I doubt that would happen if progress is being made to our country. Also as bumblethru said most politicians no matter the party stick up for their president if in the same party.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
You need support of the houses to expand government not shrink it. Paul would have full control over our foreign policies since he would have control of our military. Domestic issues he could veto if he disagreed with it's unconstitutionality, the houses could try to over rule the veto but that would take months on a single issue and would end up in court, I doubt that would happen if progress is being made to our country. Also as bumblethru said most politicians no matter the party stick up for their president if in the same party.
Most politicians have had a Democrat or a Republican as President. Not Loner Paul.
Picture Bernie Sanders as President... He sides with Democrats... but as President that relationship changes dramatically. Bernie could pass Democrat legislation, and with some cross over votes he could pass Republican legislation... But on his own... How many socialist bills do you think Bernie could push through an opposition Senate AND an opposition Congress???
Paul's libertarian views are just as foreign to today's DC politicians as would be Bernie's Socialist ones.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I know we haven't seen it in our lifetimes but the shrinking of government doesn't need full co-operation from the houses. Foreign policy, Paul could withdraw 100% of our troops without congresses approval. He could reject funding for foreign aid and overseas bases. Here at home many bills have expiration dates which need to be revoted on, here Paul could allow them to sunset which presidents have done before. Just think he could allow the Patriot Act to sunset, something the majority of Americans would like to see. He could reject insane spending bills by simply not signing them, it's that simple, again shrinking government isn't the same as increasing it.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So pretty much, we'd have King Paul... God over all his American subject. With one election, Congress will roll over and give up their power to one man. The US Senate, some people consider Senators more powerful than the US President, as many are in office for a lifetime... these most powerful men in the country would, like the US Congress would give up their power and hand it over to King Paul. (Yea might happen )
Barack Obama was elected in a large part following the Ted Kennedy issue of Health Care for All Americans. Even though he had the will of the people who elected him, to institute Health Care for All Americans... this wussy congress and senate that almost crushed the will of the people on Health Care Reform... will suddenly roll over and play dead for King Paul.
(And I might hit the lotto... but I really do have a chance of hitting the lotto... Your scenario of King Paul has no chance.)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Grover Norquist is trying to signal to the House GOP that their 'no compromise' position is untenable, deteriorating and bad for their party and the country," he said. "The House GOP is on an iceberg that is melting into the ocean, and even Norquist is offering them a lifeboat."
Democrat Peter DeFazio of Oregon mocked Republicans in the House.
"Let all the Bush tax cuts expire!" DeFazio said. "That's 4 trillion dollars. It's not too complicated! It would take us back to those bad old Clinton years when rich people paid taxes. The 'job creators,' they call them," he said in a mocking voice. "They can't make the 'job creators' pay taxes -- it will ruin the economy!' "
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So pretty much, we'd have King Paul... God over all his American subject. With one election, Congress will roll over and give up their power to one man. The US Senate, some people consider Senators more powerful than the US President, as many are in office for a lifetime... these most powerful men in the country would, like the US Congress would give up their power and hand it over to King Paul. (Yea might happen )
Barack Obama was elected in a large part following the Ted Kennedy issue of Health Care for All Americans. Even though he had the will of the people who elected him, to institute Health Care for All Americans... this wussy congress and senate that almost crushed the will of the people on Health Care Reform... will suddenly roll over and play dead for King Paul.
(And I might hit the lotto... but I really do have a chance of hitting the lotto... Your scenario of King Paul has no chance.)
You have no understanding of what the role of our government is Box, their job is to protect our liberties,defend us, and provide a sound currency. It is not their job to pass unconstitutional bills and drive us off the fckn cliff in debt. Your healthcare law even if the will of the people is a disgrace to our liberties and constitution, this is why democracies fail because they don't respect the minority and over rule them. But to you it's ok that I even against my own will will be forced to buy a service under penalty of law from the government, how American
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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