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Mr. Majestyk
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One should take a recollection of the some years ago witch hunt case that was the Gary Condit/Chondra Levy fiasco.   You remember the Congressman from Sacramento, Calif.   The media/public had him burned at the stake as well, only to find he had nothing to do with her death.   A man was later tired and convicted in her death.  If the current guilt by public opinion was applied in this case an innocent man would of maybe been wrongly sentanced to life with all the related hardships that go along with it, like to his family etc.   So is it better to free a guilty person or convict/sentance to death an innocent person.   These considerations are what tries a jurors mind each day.   Long berfore the application of DNA as evidence there is no doubt that many an innocent person was sentanced to death, and just as likely a guilty person was set free.   It's one of our systems unspoken dirty little secrets.   I seem to recall one of the Rosenbergs who were convicted of spying, executed by the system was later, much later, deemed unworthy of that death sentence.     In the case of Casey no doubt the character assasinations will continue long into the future much like the OJ case.   And maybe one day a less than murder charge will be brought forth against her, caused by her, that they can throw the book at her on.   And without implying that it is being done, tack on the seemingly injustice charges that did'nt stick this time, (in a roundabout way of course) then in some peoples eyes justice will have been served.  Of course when this tactic is applied it is wrong, but that's how it works in these situations.   It seems the system when it fails, does not take an embarassment of this nature to well.   For above all the system must survive regardless of it's perceived faults.  
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Understanding the evidence did not rise to a murder 1 conviction, the Nancy Grace insanity and the public opinion, there is still an issue I have a problem with.

Why hasn't the Florida Dept of Child Services stepped in? I mean not knowing where your toddler is for a month is no longer a crime? The only person responsible for the safety and welfare of this girl lied to the police (and was convicted). I'm not sure if that would be considered double jeopardy if this department became involved.
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Every State, including NY, is drafting new laws making a parent not reporting a missing child after 24 hours a crime. Right now it isn't a crime. There was enough evidence for a murder one conviction. The jury could not separate the guilt phase from the separate sentencing phase. There were two other lesser charges that this jury could have convicted her on. They didn't and she will walk free next week. She cannot be retried and is talking about more children. Cameras must be taken out of the courtroom. They should never be allowed in this State. Those hoping for karma or conscience are banking on a slim reed.
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Quoted from benny salami
  There was enough evidence for a murder one conviction.


How did Casey kill Caylee?  What was the cause of death?  

It was an accidental death and cover-up.  I don't see Casey or the Anthony's as cold blooded murderers, but I do view them as a white trash dysfunctional family, capable over sedating a 3 year old to cause death. IMO


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How did Casey kill Caylee?  What was the cause of death?  

Cause of DEATH is not, REPEAT, not needed for a murder one conviction.
There was no cause of death for Lacy Petersen, all they could do was place Scott Peterson up-current from where they found Lacy's body on the day she disappeared. But yet, Scott is sitting in prison
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It was an accidental death and cover-up.  I don't see Casey or the Anthony's as cold blooded murderers, but I do view them as a white trash dysfunctional family, capable over sedating a 3 year old to cause death. IMO


You don't know that, just as you told me I don't know that Casey murdered Caylee.
It's all speculation from here on out, because the real truth will most likely never emerge.


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Cause of DEATH is not, REPEAT, not needed for a murder one conviction.
There was no cause of death for Lacy Petersen, all they could do was place Scott Peterson up-current from where they found Lacy's body on the day she disappeared. But yet, Scott is sitting in prison


Wasn't the prosecution able to put Scott Peterson(that wasn't a known fisherman) in the San Fransico Bay on a midnight fishing trip on Christmas Day, around the time of Lacy's disappearance?  You cannot say the same about Casey and Caylee.  There is nothing that puts her near where the body was found besides it is near where she lived, and there is nothing that suggests how she may have killed Caylee.  The only thing they had was her behavior during the 31 days Caylee was missing.


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You don't know that, just as you told me I don't know that Casey murdered Caylee.
It's all speculation from here on out, because the real truth will most likely never emerge.



That's is my point.  There is more than enough evidence to give reasonable doubt.  The defenses argument sounds just as reasonable, if not more reasonable that pre-meditated murder.  Based on the defenses arguments, they made a very compelling case that the mother and father could have very well been involved in the death.  


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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It was an accidental death and cover-up.  I don't see Casey or the Anthony's as cold blooded murderers, but I do view them as a white trash dysfunctional family, capable over sedating a 3 year old to cause death. IMO  


Chloroform was found in the trunk of Casey's car. She did searches on how to make it. She did searches on neck breaking. There was also DNA of the infant's hair with a death ring-from her truck. All of this evidence was presented to the jury. They chose to ignore it. She accidentally gave her chloroform? Felony murder or poison either are murder one predicates.

     She got off because of her looks and race. Evil can come with a pretty face. There are evil mothers capable of murdering their beautiful children. You can be anti-death penalty but for justice. The jury considered penalty when they should have been focused on guilt. Plenty of dysfunctional families of all colors that report a child missing after 24 hours. That aren't doing searches on how to make chloroform. What precedent is this setting?
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Wasn't the prosecution able to put Scott Peterson(that wasn't a known fisherman) in the San Fransico Bay on a midnight fishing trip on Christmas Day, around the time of Lacy's disappearance?  You cannot say the same about Casey and Caylee.  There is nothing that puts her near where the body was found besides it is near where she lived, and there is nothing that suggests how she may have killed Caylee.  The only thing they had was her behavior during the 31 days Caylee was missing.


Umm, no. Unless 12:54pm (the parking receipt for Scotts truck at the marina) means midnight in California. Actually, Scott had a fishing boat that was parked at a warehouse. Most non-fisherman don't.
The jury in California had Scott's actions after the murder, which were eerily similar to Casey's, that was enough for them

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That's is my point.  There is more than enough evidence to give reasonable doubt.  The defenses argument sounds just as reasonable, if not more reasonable that pre-meditated murder.  Based on the defenses arguments, they made a very compelling case that the mother and father could have very well been involved in the death.  


You're kidding? right? Just because Baez said it makes it true? I guess so since he mentioned sexual abuse with no evidence and some of the jurors bought it. The only thing the defense presented to support their theory was Cindy Anthony who said the ladder was in the pool, so she either perjured herself on the stand or in the deposition where she said it was out... and of course the bombshell of bombshells, the picture of Caylee showing she was tall enough to turn the knob to the back door leading to the pool....maybe she was also tall enough to reach the end table where the homemade chloroform was.


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Chloroform was found in the trunk of Casey's car. She did searches on how to make it. She did searches on neck breaking. There was also DNA of the infant's hair with a death ring-from her truck. All of this evidence was presented to the jury. They chose to ignore it. She accidentally gave her chloroform? Felony murder or poison either are murder one predicates.


Where did she purchase the chloroform?  Do you know where you can purchase chloroform?  CVS?  I don't recall where the prosecution said Casey purchased the chloroform in order to kill her child.  You would think she would have given her a massive dose of some over the counter medication if she was planning the murder.  Neck breaking and chloroform sounds like a tall order for a 21 year old party girl.      



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Quoted from benny salami


Chloroform was found in the trunk of Casey's car. She did searches on how to make it. She did searches on neck breaking. There was also DNA of the infant's hair with a death ring-from her truck. All of this evidence was presented to the jury. They chose to ignore it. She accidentally gave her chloroform? Felony murder or poison either are murder one predicates.

     She got off because of her looks and race. Evil can come with a pretty face. There are evil mothers capable of murdering their beautiful children. You can be anti-death penalty but for justice. The jury considered penalty when they should have been focused on guilt. Plenty of dysfunctional families of all colors that report a child missing after 24 hours. That aren't doing searches on how to make chloroform. What precedent is this setting?


Benny, benny, benny................first....are you implying that if this girl was 'ugly' and of another 'race' she would have been convicted of murder? Are you actually playing the race card here?  OMG!!

And traces of chloroform in the trunk?? What did she make it 'in the trunk'? Where did she get the ingredients? What 'are' the ingredients to make chloroform?

As far as the little girl's hair.....it was probably EVERYWHERE....duh!

At the very least.....CPS should be called in for her failure to notify the authorities that this kid was missing after 24hrs!!! And yet you blast the jury for doing their job, when the authorities and the prosecution didn't do theirs.


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Where do you start? She did searches on how to make chloroform at home who said anything about CVS? It's on the internet and yes even a party girl can do it. She also searched neck breaking-I know she wanted to pursue a career in massage! This evidence was all presented to the brilliant jury. They were either too stupid or too lazy to do the job.

     If you think this jury did it's job then you are a minority of a minority. With your relatives. What type of law do they practice? The hair had the tell tale death ring which meant from a dead body! Maybe the nonexistent nanny put the body in the trunk? This decision was horrible. Down there with OJ. If they didn't want a possibility of a death penalty they should have convicted on a lesser charge.
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Quoted from bumblethru
As far as the little girl's hair.....it was probably EVERYWHERE....duh!


You're kidding right? Do you transport your kids in the car trunk too? The hair, again, had a tell tale death ring. How long had she kept that poor infant dead in the trunk? But no murder here! Every good mother keeps a body in her trunk for weeks before dumping in a swamp. Great job jury! Nothing more than lying to the police? A simple party girl who liked to break necks in her spare time.  
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Quoted from benny salami
Where do you start? She did searches on how to make chloroform at home who said anything about CVS? It's on the internet and yes even a party girl can do it. She also searched neck breaking-I know she wanted to pursue a career in massage! This evidence was all presented to the brilliant jury. They were either too stupid or too lazy to do the job.
 


Im sure the prosecution knows that chloroform is found virtually everywhere  and on a BZILLION things.  They they present it as ' evidence '  to confuse people like you into thinking it is more important than it actually is . YOU dont seem to know anything.


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