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Whats wrong with that ?
One of the positive effects of smoking  Is  early death-  many studies  show that there is health care cost savings due to early death  and there is a Pension and social security  expense savings if your dead  and you also save on housing for elderly-


Somebody, you couldn't be further from the truth.  Exactly the opposite is true...


Smoking in the United States is associated with enormous costs to
society. The Congressional Office of Technology Assessment has estimated
the annual cost of medical care for smoking-related illness at
$15 to $30 billion, and that smoking-related illness is responsible for
an additional $49 to $70 billion in lost productivity. There are also
substantial costs to the individual who smokes in terms of lost wages
over a lifetime, primarily affecting those who die of smoking-related
disease while still active wage earners in the work force.

http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11584.pdf



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I agree with Somebody, you'll make up the difference in not needing long term nursing home care. If people want to smoke and eat themselves to death so be it our actions have consequences.
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Researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health looked at the data generated by a 2007 national health survey, analyzing the responses of the parents of guardians of more than 55,000 children ages 11 and younger from throughout the U.S. They found that children who were exposed to secondhand smoke were twice as likely to develop so-called neurobehavioral disorders -- including learning disabilities, ADD or ADHD, and conduct or behavior disorders -- than were children who lived in smoke-free homes.

"We estimate that 274,000 cases of the most common neurobehavioral disorders could have been prevented with smoke-free homes," said Hillel Alpert, ScM, a senior research associate at Harvard and one of the study's authors.


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Researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health looked at the data generated by a 2007 national health survey, analyzing the responses of the parents of guardians of more than 55,000 children ages 11 and younger from throughout the U.S. They found that children who were exposed to secondhand smoke were twice as likely to develop so-called neurobehavioral disorders -- including learning disabilities, ADD or ADHD, and conduct or behavior disorders -- than were children who lived in smoke-free homes.

"We estimate that 274,000 cases of the most common neurobehavioral disorders could have been prevented with smoke-free homes," said Hillel Alpert, ScM, a senior research associate at Harvard and one of the study's authors.


The Drug Companies need this type of research to justify pushing their ADD/ADHD drugs on to the public.  It's the bad tobacco that causes you to buy our Ritalin.  If only you didn't smoke, your child wouldn't have these problems.  I thought it was vaccines that were screwing the kids up?  Of course not, drug companies fund those studies too, it's never the drug company drugs that are harmful.

I wonder if the Harvard School of Public Heath receives any private funding from large corporate donors like say...Big Pharma?


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I wonder if the Harvard School of Public Heath receives any private funding from large corporate donors like say...Big Pharma?


HUH! I don't wonder about that at all.

The Harvard study was about kids (and adults) getting sick from other peoples cigarette smoke.  
I wonder why parents of these kids aren't charged with child abuse.



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I wonder why parents of these kids aren't charged with child abuse.


I'm sure you do...I'm sure you do....S-C-A-R-Y


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HUH! I don't wonder about that at all.


You should.  Stop being so naive.


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You should.  Stop being so naive.


HUH!
That's what I heard when I said there were no WMD's in Iraq...
or
When I said that GWB was AWOL...
or
When I said the Iraqi's won't welcome us as (LMAO) LIBERATORS!
But...
It I was correct and those who accused me of being "naive" were actually naive.



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HUH!
That's what I heard when I said there were no WMD's in Iraq...
or
When I said that GWB was AWOL...
or
When I said the Iraqi's won't welcome us as (LMAO) LIBERATORS!
But...
It I was correct and those who accused me of being "naive" were actually naive.


Maybe you should have told the 111 Democrats and 15 U.N. Security Council Member of your great insight.  They were hoodwinked by Bush, while you were on to his tricks.  Can't slip one by the ole box.  And Libya's a "Humanitarian Mission" right box.


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Somebody, you couldn't be further from the truth.  Exactly the opposite is true...


Smoking in the United States is associated with enormous costs to
society. The Congressional Office of Technology Assessment has estimated
the annual cost of medical care for smoking-related illness at
$15 to $30 billion, and that smoking-related illness is responsible for
an additional $49 to $70 billion in lost productivity. There are also
substantial costs to the individual who smokes in terms of lost wages
over a lifetime, primarily affecting those who die of smoking-related
disease while still active wage earners in the work force.

http://www.nber.org/chapters/c11584.pdf



I think it really depends on how the statistics are presented.  This particular study done by Philip Morris Funded Study of Smoking
stating that the Czech government had a net gain of $147.1 million from smoking  ( Remember the Czech pres smokes too )

Yes indeed smoking can save money- crazy man

http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/Philip-Morris-Czech-Study.htm


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I think it really depends on how the statistics are presented.  This particular study done by Philip Morris Funded Study of Smoking
stating that the Czech government had a net gain of $147.1 million from smoking  ( Remember the Czech pres smokes too )

Yes indeed smoking can save money- crazy man

http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/Philip-Morris-Czech-Study.htm


A smoking study by Philip Morris, that finds a good side of smoking.
I'm sure they did.



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