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Limited and focused, but flexible?
Genius at work here.
Again, reading comprehension escapes you. Compared to you I am starting to feel like Einstein!!! |
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Libertarian4life |
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You really need to read more factual history instead of continuing to spew venomous stupidity!
Perhaps I missed all the books about how the US saved the world from the Viet Namese threat. Did you eat the agent orange tainted vegetation? |
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Rusty Shackleford |
September 20, 2012, 6:45am |
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wow, this is going nowhere, fast.
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joebxr |
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Perhaps I missed all the books about how the US saved the world from the Viet Namese threat. Did you eat the agent orange tainted vegetation?
SEE, I knew it...you have no clue what it was all about!!!!! |
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L4life You are blaming the warrior for the war. A member of the US Military is the least effective person to focus your frustration with a war. Politicians make decisions to go to war. The military has no say in that decision.
Blaming Veterans for the actions of a few in a war is like blaming YOU for crimes committed in Rotterdam (if that is where you live). YOU live in Rotterdam... Murders were committed in Rotterdam. So YOU are a Murderer!
I served some of my time in the My Lai area of Vietnam. There were no civilians murdered there when we served in that area. We left and other forces took over that section of Vietnam. A very few of those forces committed murder there. A CRIME, just like murder here in Rotterdam. Their immediate superiors covered up those CRIMES, which (just like in the USA) is also a CRIME.
US troops in Vietnam had a difficult task fighting both a gorilla war against local Viet Cong, and a conventional war against well trained and experienced North Vietnamese Regulars. As in all wars, civilians were killed on the battlefield, but great lengths were taken to prevent such casualties. Americans were wounded or died in efforts to prevent those civilian deaths.
When I was in country, rules of engagement were followed and those violating those rules were reprimanded. You seem to believe the 'stereotype' of Vietnam Veteran and ignore the facts of the war.
There are about 17,000 murders in the USA each year... YOU are an American, living in America among those murders... Should I blame YOU for the Crimes of other Americans?
President Eisenhower supported the fight against the Communists in Vietnam funding almost the entire cost of the French war there until the French left. President Kennedy then funded the war effort in the south and sent US troops, air support and advisers to that war... followed by similar actions by President Johnson. The US Congress supported and funded those actions. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution then authorized by the US Senate with only 2 opposing votes, escalated that war. If you want to blame someone for that war... blame YOUR politicians who YOU elected to sent us there. They made that decision. US troops never had a vote for or against that war. |
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Libertarian4life |
September 20, 2012, 6:51am |
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I didn't have to go to Canada because those of us who didn't go to Viet Nam ended the war. You took part in it willingly. There is no such history where Viet Nam was a success or even not considered an utter failure. It was a murderous invasion. I chose the side of peace. You chose the side of murder. Funny, the side with the guns lost. The spitters won peace. Spin away killer! |
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L4life You are blaming the warrior for the war....US troops never had a vote for or against that war.
OMG, the Nuremberg defense. The most heinous defense ever tried. Just following orders. You had a choice and you chose to kill and receive compensation for it. The killers lost. The spitters won peace. |
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I didn't have to go to Canada because those of us who didn't go to Viet Nam ended the war.
SO YOU ARE OUR HERO....YOU ENDED THE VIETNAM CONFLICT.....YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE......and then you invented the internet!!!! Get over yourself....starting to think you should change your name to LOSER 4 LIFE! |
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L4life
US troops in Vietnam had a difficult task fighting both a gorilla war against local Viet Cong, and a conventional war against well trained and experienced North Vietnamese Regulars.
So you were at war against the North and the South. That should have raised a red flag. That should have given you a clue that you were an unwanted killer of people who never did anything to any American. There is absolutely no valid justification for the Viet Namese invasion and military defeat of the US. You had superior firepower and yet, The spitters won peace. The US military retreated in defeat. |
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SO YOU ARE OUR HERO....YOU ENDED THE VIETNAM CONFLICT.....YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE......
Yes, You are welcome. |
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BOX, LOSER 4 LIFE deserves no further attempt at discussion on Vietnam. He is all knowing and clearly the expert on it all. Let's refocus back to topic and let him go off into his fantasy world of LA-LA-LOSER LAND. HOO-RAH!!!! |
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OMG, the Nuremberg defense. The most heinous defense ever tried. Just following orders. You had a choice and you chose to kill and receive compensation for it. The killers lost. The spitters won peace.
Really??? So in your reality... soldiers DON'T KILL IN WAR??? You post about Nuremberg... as if US veterans committed war crimes... and of course a few did... but again, you blame the actions of a few on the entire group. In case you don't know this... The Uniform Code Of Military Justice REQUIRES you to disobey any order that is illegal. If ordered to commit a crime, you MUST disobey that order. The defense you raised... "I was just following orders" does not apply. Orders must be obeyed, but Illegal orders MUST be disobeyed and more, they must be reported to a superior. L4Life. You blame the actions of a few on an entire group. You condemn US Veterans with out any knowledge of their situation. I don't blame the entire police force if one cop commits murder... but you must. I don't blame all priests because of the abuse of a few... but you must. I don't blame all hippies for the crimes committed by a few... but you must. You seem to have been harboring this anti veteran rage for quite a while... I doubt the FACTS will change your mind. |
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So you were at war against the North and the South. That should have raised a red flag. That should have given you a clue that you were an unwanted killer of people who never did anything to any American.
Really L4Life... get a history book. Apparently you don't even know the participants of the war you protested. (all that spitting for nothing) There was no US "INVASION". US Troops walked ashore in Vietnam welcomed by the South Vietnamese troops and many civilians. US troops fought along side the ARVN...the Army Of The Republics OF Vietnam. Us troops along with the troops of Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Laos, and The Philippines, fought against the North and the VietCong. |
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Really??? So in your reality... soldiers DON'T KILL IN WAR???
You post about Nuremberg... as if US veterans committed war crimes... and of course a few did... but again, you blame the actions of a few on the entire group.
In case you don't know this... The Uniform Code Of Military Justice REQUIRES you to disobey any order that is illegal. If ordered to commit a crime, you MUST disobey that order. The defense you raised... "I was just following orders" does not apply. Orders must be obeyed, but Illegal orders MUST be disobeyed and more, they must be reported to a superior.
L4Life. You blame the actions of a few on an entire group. You condemn US Veterans with out any knowledge of their situation. I don't blame the entire police force if one cop commits murder... but you must. I don't blame all priests because of the abuse of a few... but you must. I don't blame all hippies for the crimes committed by a few... but you must.
You seem to have been harboring this anti veteran rage for quite a while... I doubt the FACTS will change your mind.
The defender of killing the innocent arrives right on queue. The invasion was wrong. The soldiers chose to take part. They killed entire families. You don't care because you support killing the innocent as a legitimate part of war. That's the 9/11 defense. They were just part of the war. You support their methods. You support killing without arrest, trial, conviction or declaration of war. You support murder. You support terrorism. Wave your flag. |
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