Obama promised (and kept his promise) to withdraw all US combat forces from Iraq in 16 months
Not all US forces... Not just the ones getting shot at... Not the ones in harms way... but ALL US COMBAT FORCES.
The Bush optional war in Iraq was a disaster from the very beginning... poor planning, almost no after action planning, fatal mistakes once the major battles were over and of course as we all know now and knew then... NO WMD'S.
If Obama manages to get all US troops out of Iraq by the end of his term, his efforts there will have been a huge success.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
The "higher ups" haven't called / written / updated their blogs yet with instructions.
Unlike the Republicans and the Nattering Nayboobs of Negativity -- we Democrats think for ourselves and don't have to wait until your county fuhrer or the "cat lady" or the "candy man" send down the commands.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
I see by your comments that you are Anti-Business and to see vacant buildings and higher property taxes.
How are tax-exempt businesses helping MY property taxes? Metroplex is a joke. The miracle called Schenectady.. LOL I am pro-business, but not at the expense of other taxpayers
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
I see by your comments that you are Anti-Business and to see vacant buildings and higher property taxes.
Didn't DVOR have everyone on their seats at the beginning of the year for a new business he was working on bringing to Rotterdam? As I recall, it was hush hush, and to be a big surprise. Anyone remember that ever happening??
You're absolutely correct... US forces are still dying in Bush's oil war in Iraq. Bush had great plans for how to grab Iraqi oil... but no plans to actually run the country.
If Obama manages to get the USA out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and turn around the Bush Economic Meltdown by the end of his second term, he will have been a huge success.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Obama promised (and kept his promise) to withdraw all US combat forces from Iraq in 16 months
Not all US forces... Not just the ones getting shot at... Not the ones in harms way... but ALL US COMBAT FORCES.
The Bush optional war in Iraq was a disaster from the very beginning... poor planning, almost no after action planning, fatal mistakes once the major battles were over and of course as we all know now and knew then... NO WMD'S.
If Obama manages to get all US troops out of Iraq by the end of his term, his efforts there will have been a huge success.
OK, I guess I'll have to go a little slower for you, then. A. All troops went over to Iraq. At the time they went, some were considered "combat forces" and some weren't. B. Some of the "combat forces" were withdrawn and brought back stateside, or sent to other locations, wherever in the world they are now. C. Some of the "combat forces" were renamed, and kept on Iraq for the time being.
In the case of choice C above, I would say that not all "combat forces" were withdrawn, some just had the name of the platoon changed.
Let's look at this a little different way. Say President Obama said that he would bring home each troop who's name is Joe. He brought home many of the troops named Joe, and then he let the rest know, "Your name is no longer Joe, it's Mike, and therefore, all the troops named Joe have come home."
While it's true that all the troops named Joe are now home, there's guys over there that used to be named Joe, that the President now wants us to call Mike, that he promised to bring home, but he really didn't.
I never said that I was for or against the actions that were happening there, but I support each and every individual soldier that is there, and hope that they all come home safely, whenever it is someone decides to ACTUALLY withdraw all the troops.
Any I have a question regarding your last statement. If Obama doesn't manage to get all US troops out of Iraq by the end of his term, what will you call his efforts then? I bet you'll still find a reason to call it "a huge success," just based on the name of the party he's part of.
DVR, nice to see you in this forum.. Don't you have another useless gin mill or pizza joint to be chief cheerleader on?
Didn't DVOR have everyone on their seats at the beginning of the year for a new business he was working on bringing to Rotterdam? As I recall, it was hush hush, and to be a big surprise. Anyone remember that ever happening??
I remember it happening .. and it will be coming .. sometime next year.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
You're absolutely correct... US forces are still dying in Bush's oil war in Iraq. Bush had great plans for how to grab Iraqi oil... but no plans to actually run the country.
If Obama manages to get the USA out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and turn around the Bush Economic Meltdown by the end of his second term, he will have been a huge success.
Although I was against the Iraq war, I see no proof it was for Oil..produce it if you have it. To me, it was more GWB doing what GHWB should have done in desert storm. Still, there is no reason ANY US troops should be dying in Iraq NOW.
As far as the Economy, we are in worse shape long term than we were in 2008. Obama should not have tackled health care with dollars he didn't have until the Economy was growing strongly.. The majority of the stimulus money was for federal projects AKA Earmarks on Steroids. And the money policy of the US treasury and the Fed? Well, that just handed the key to the kingdom to China.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
OK, I guess I'll have to go a little slower for you, then. A. All troops went over to Iraq. At the time they went, some were considered "combat forces" and some weren't. B. Some of the "combat forces" were withdrawn and brought back stateside, or sent to other locations, wherever in the world they are now. C. Some of the "combat forces" were renamed, and kept on Iraq for the time being.
In the case of choice C above, I would say that not all "combat forces" were withdrawn, some just had the name of the platoon changed.
Let's look at this a little different way. Say President Obama said that he would bring home each troop who's name is Joe. He brought home many of the troops named Joe, and then he let the rest know, "Your name is no longer Joe, it's Mike, and therefore, all the troops named Joe have come home."
While it's true that all the troops named Joe are now home, there's guys over there that used to be named Joe, that the President now wants us to call Mike, that he promised to bring home, but he really didn't.
I never said that I was for or against the actions that were happening there, but I support each and every individual soldier that is there, and hope that they all come home safely, whenever it is someone decides to ACTUALLY withdraw all the troops.
Any I have a question regarding your last statement. If Obama doesn't manage to get all US troops out of Iraq by the end of his term, what will you call his efforts then? I bet you'll still find a reason to call it "a huge success," just based on the name of the party he's part of.
Choice C: While in a combat unit, troops could be assigned to "COMBAT" (actual firefights with the enemy)... Or... They could be assigned to several other totally different mission, (with the same MOS) but as instructors or demonstrators assigned to train Iraqi troops. They WERE Combat troops engaging the enemy... They now are INSTRUCTORS, training the Iraqi army.
I would hope that Obama will eventually bring all US troops home... not just from Iraq (Bush's war) and from Afghanistan (another Bush war, but now an Obama war), but from Libya, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Etc Etc Etc. Obama never pledged to bring all US troops home from Iraq, Afghanistan or any where else as far as I know... But it sure would be a good idea.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Although I was against the Iraq war, I see no proof it was for Oil..produce it if you have it. To me, it was more GWB doing what GHWB should have done in desert storm. Still, there is no reason ANY US troops should be dying in Iraq NOW.
Daddy Bush didn't go into Baghdad when he had the opportunity... and Baby Bush should have followed his dads lead.
GHWB and his General 'Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf both knew that going to Baghdad was a mistake. Here is Schwarzkopf's own words on why: Q: People always ask this--why didn't you go to Baghdad and finish off the job?
Schwarzkopf: On the question of going to Baghdad. If you remember the Vietnam war, we had no international legitimacy for what we did. As a result we, first of all, lost the battle of world public opinion and eventually we lost the battle at home.
In the Gulf War we had great international legitimacy in the form of eight United Nations Resolutions, every one of which said "Kick Iraq out of Kuwait", did not say one word about going into Iraq, taking Baghdad, conquering the whole country and hanging Saddam Hussein. That's point number one.
Point number two, had we gone on to Baghdad, I don't believe the French would have gone and I'm quite sure that the Arab coalition would not have gone, the coalition would have ruptured and the only people that would have gone would have been the United Kingdom and the United States of America.
And, oh by the way, I think we'd still be there, we'd be like a dinosaur in a tar pit, we could not have gotten out and we'd still be the occupying power and we'd be paying one hundred percent of all the costs to administer all of Iraq. (Norman Schwarzkopf)
If only Baby Bush had listened to his dad's advice... the USA would be $2trillion richer and 4400+ US patriots would not have died in a unnecessary war.
What was different from the time Daddy Bush and Baby Bush went to war in Iraq??? The price of OIL!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Choice C: While in a combat unit, troops could be assigned to "COMBAT" (actual firefights with the enemy)... Or... They could be assigned to several other totally different mission, (with the same MOS) but as instructors or demonstrators assigned to train Iraqi troops. They WERE Combat troops engaging the enemy... They now are INSTRUCTORS, training the Iraqi army.
I would hope that Obama will eventually bring all US troops home... not just from Iraq (Bush's war) and from Afghanistan (another Bush war, but now an Obama war), but from Libya, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Etc Etc Etc. Obama never pledged to bring all US troops home from Iraq, Afghanistan or any where else as far as I know... But it sure would be a good idea.
OK, I'll give you the fact that they're no longer combat troops, but that also goes against what you originally posted, that Obama promised (and kept his promise) to withdraw all US combat forces from Iraq in 16 months. The fact is that there may no longer be combat troops there, but they weren't withdrawn, they were given a different job description. That doesn't mean they were withdrawn, and this is why I state that he didn't follow through on his promises. As far as what they're assigned to, I would say that any troops could be assigned to anything at any time, they are in a war situation. You do what needs to be done. He did promise to bring home the combat troops, something he hasn't yet done.
By the way, as combat troops, I'm sure they could do all the things they're doing now, along with others. That would include invasion of other countries (I think the war in Pakistan, invading and taking out foreign leaders would usually be considered war), but I guess those were U.S. Afghanistan troops, so maybe they weren't promised to be brought home just yet.
" Bush had great plans for how to grab Iraqi oil... but no plans to actually run the country." quoted Box. Still waiting for the detailed plan Bush had to take over the Iraq oil fields.
" Bush had great plans for how to grab Iraqi oil... but no plans to actually run the country." quoted Box. Still waiting for the detailed plan Bush had to take over the Iraq oil fields.
And the American people are STILL waiting for Bush to find his WMD'S!!!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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